Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by DaFace:
We now live in a world where people will debate what the "facts" are. It makes it difficult to have a reasonable conversation when there's not a common foundation of what sources of knowledge are allowed.
There'll always be a counter to someone's "findings" (facts). Again, that's natural based on the origins of someone's POV. I'm just trying my best to absorb as much info as possible, knowing I have absolutely no expertise in this field, and make the best choices I can for myself and my Family. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
We now live in a world where people will debate what the "facts" are. It makes it difficult to have a reasonable conversation when there's not a common foundation of what sources of knowledge are allowed.
We now live in a world where facts are frequently subject to change, so it's natural that they're approached with skepticism.
We also live in a world where opinion is frequently touted as fact, and studies and stats can be presented in ways to favor a particular narrative. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
Provide additional supporting research that counters this study and touts the benefit of wearing non-medical/non-/N95 masks.
I am sure there is but you can look at the Asian countries that have successfully handled the virus and alot of it is due to massive mask usage.
I think having mandatory mask usage would be a great compromise to get the country to start re-opening. [Reply]
Hey if you're bored you can have the day I've had for the last 24 hours, gas company at my house, gas being turned off and on, eventually turning it off at the meter, realizing a couple of my joins to my water heater and furnace are leaking gas fixing those then find out a valve is leaking so having to turn it off again...
So hey that will all go a long way to giving you something to do. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Hey if you're bored you can have the day I've had for the last 24 hours, gas company at my house, gas being turned off and on, eventually turning it off at the meter, realizing a couple of my joins to my water heater and furnace are leaking gas fixing those then find out a valve is leaking so having to turn it off again...
So hey that will all go a long way to giving you something to do.
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
We now live in a world where facts are frequently subject to change, so it's natural that they're approached with skepticism.
We also live in a world where opinion is frequently touted as fact, and studies and stats can be presented in ways to favor a particular narrative.
Not everyone can process the same info with the same effectiveness, I would trust Hamas’s understanding the results of a drug trial over myself for example the difference compared to some others is I know my limitations and don’t consider myself in a position to question him on it . I know when I am out of my element , some know( or should know) and yet still refuse to acknowledge it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
I consider saying "I don't know" as a sign of intelligence.
Admitting you don't know something is a sign of intelligence I suppose, but it seems like we are confusing a lot of things we don't truly know with "facts".
Every single article and study on this uses a lot of words like "potentially" and "possibly".
This study came out a few days ago. So let's all fucking wear masks and get back to work some what. You aren't losing any freedoms by wearing a mask in public.
Originally Posted by :
Based on research and scientific models from UC Berkley’s International Computer Science Institute and Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, wearing masks can cut the incidence of cases by as much as 80%.
I felt like this was pretty urgent,” said De Kai, who was born in St. Louis, and is the son of immigrants from China. “I saw the country where I grew up, where my family lives [now mostly in the Bay Area], about to face this pandemic without knowing much about something as simple as wearing a mask to protect themselves and others.”
In part, this comes from a cultural difference between East Asia, where masks have been routinely worn for decades to fend off pollution and germs, and other parts of the world. This includes the U.S., where people are unaccustomed to wearing masks, and, in the past, have sometimes been insensitive, even stigmatizing East Asians, many of whom had chosen to wear them in public prior to the pandemic, and had continued the practice in the aftermath of the SARS and MERS outbreaks. (In part, this habit was meant to show other people that they were concerned about transmitting the disease—something we in the West would do well to emulate.)
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Admitting you don't know something is a sign of intelligence I suppose, but it seems like we are confusing a lot of things we don't truly know with "facts".
Every single article and study on this uses a lot of words like "potentially" and "possibly".
So yea saying you don't know says a lot.
That is how the medical field works because nothing is 100% , the human body and pathology is hard to predict and it isn't always black or white, read an ultrasound report, even if the Radiologist knows for sure it is a cancer, it will most likely say "suspicious for cancer" . Just because they deal in vagueness doesn't mean they are incompetent. [Reply]
