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The Dumbass Lounge>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Mecca 12:15 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
According to this the trend looks more or less the same as early April in Texas.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/


https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...s-have-1503184
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Marcellus 12:15 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
No he is not a moron and he is talking about his employees and players. You can't have contact sports without daily testing. You know that right?
Ne he was talking about the country as a whole not just sports.

Originally Posted by :
“We have to get to that point where the White House standard becomes the national standard, I think, in order for consumers to feel safe going out, in order for employers to feel completely safe bringing people back to work,” Cuban said on “Squawk Box.” “I think we can get there, I just don’t know when.”

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TLO 12:16 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by KC_Lee:
Given that the virus has a reported two week incubation period an increase in new cases a day after the state begins opening back up really is not correlated.
The average is like 5 days. 14 is the extreme outlier.
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Mecca 12:16 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by KC_Lee:
Given that the virus has a reported two week incubation period an increase in new cases a day after the state begins opening back up really is not correlated.
That's fine and all but can anyone really make an argument that until numbers are going down consistently opening things is probably not a great idea?
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tk13 12:16 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
There may never be an effective/scalable vaccine, but society must re-open and go back to normal and not some bullshit “new normal”.

During the 1968-1969 Hong Kong Flu Pandemic which killed 100,000+ Americans (mostly ages 65+) and had an R0 comparable to COVID-19 (1.06-2.06 during the first wave and 1.21-3.58 during the second wave), there was no “social distancing” or lockdowns.

Instead America went on with their lives and historical events such as Woodstock, and millions gathering to watch and celebrate Neil Armstrong walk on the moon took place.

Meanwhile 50 years later people are now locked in their homes and afraid to get a haircut.
I do think it's funny how throughout this thread is you keeping moving the goalposts on this as the death rate keeps climbing.

At first, it was how H1N1 killed 12,000 in a year, and COVID was no where near that. No big deal. This is overblown.

Then when it went higher than that, it was the seasonal flu, and how that kills up to 60,000 people. More than COVID, this is overblown.

Now we've shot past that, and it's the 1968 flu. That killed 100,000 Americans. That was way worse than this, this is overblown. We need to reopen.

Two months from now: "Well 675,000 Americans died in the 1918 flu. That's more than have died in COVID. This is overblown. Things need to re-open."

Two years from now: "Well the Black Death killed 50 million people. That's more than have died from COVID. They went on with their lives. This is totally overblown."

Five years from now: "Well, 8 people survived the Great Flood in the book of Genesis, and there are 15 people alive today. See! This is overblown! We need to re-open society! I can't wait to go to Starbucks!"
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'Hamas' Jenkins 12:16 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis:
The table showing odds ratio of COVID positivity in their patient population on the basis of blood type is as follows. COVID still happens in all blood types, but there do appear to be modest-but-real effects of blood type on risk.



https://twitter.com/vitamin_kt/statu...760814080?s=21
I don't know if the difference is terribly meaningful given that there was no statistical significance between blood type and odds of intubation or death.

If there's no morbidity or mortality benefit it's more of a factoid than something of clinical significance.
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Kidd Lex 12:17 PM 05-11-2020
https://www.livescience.com/why-covi...me-people.html

Article on risk factors. T2D is looking to be a big one. No surprise, blood sugar is key to so many chronic diseases.
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KC_Lee 12:17 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
The average is like 5 days. 14 is the extreme outlier.
Ok let's say 5 days, how does an increase is confirmed cases one day after a state starts opening up correlate?

A better metric would be new cases / number of tests administered in the days after a state starts opening.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 12:18 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
That's fine and all but can anyone really make an argument that until numbers are going down consistently opening things is probably not a great idea?
Karen really wants to get her nails done.
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Mecca 12:18 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by tk13:
I do think it's funny how throughout this thread is you keeping moving the goalposts on this as the death rate keeps climbing.

At first, it was how H1N1 killed 12,000 in a year, and COVID was no where near that. No big deal. This is overblown.

Then when it went higher than that, it was the seasonal flu, and how that kills up to 60,000 people. More than COVID, this is overblown.

Now we've shot past that, and it's the 1968 flu. That killed 100,000 Americans. That was way worse than this, this is overblown. We need to reopen.

Two months from now: "Well 675,000 Americans died in the 1918 flu. That's more than have died in COVID. This is overblown. Things need to re-open."

Two years from now: "Well the Black Death killed 50 million people. That's more than have died from COVID. They went on with their lives. This is totally overblown."

Five years from now: "Well, 8 people survived the Great Flood in the book of Genesis, and there are 15 people alive today. See! This is overblown! We need to re-open society! I can't wait to go to Starbucks!"
Ok your post made me crack up laughing cause that really sums up his posting, that and having a soda and doing a line of coke are equal.
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Mecca 12:18 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Karen really wants to get her nails done.
That and haircuts, in the words of George Carlin put on a hat you shallow cunt.
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Marcellus 12:19 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...s-have-1503184
The question is are the increase following the same pattern or is there a new spike?

Notice Texas wasn't mentioned in the article you linked.
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staylor26 12:20 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
If you view prevention of the healthcare system collapsing from surge and 1-2 million excess deaths as futile...
I’m not saying it is futile. I don’t believe that at this moment. I’m again talking about the hypothetical of things not getting any better for months despite these efforts. If that’s the case, and this thing has been here for as long as we now believe, then yes I don’t believe it made as big of a difference as we hope/believe.
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Mecca 12:21 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
The question is are the increase following the same pattern or is there a new spike?

Notice Texas wasn't mentioned in the article you linked.
I'm aware, I was pointing out that a lot of states are still seeing increases.
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Donger 12:21 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by staylor26:
I’m not arguing that. We’re clearly talking about the hypothetical of things not getting any better for months.

Of course I believe it has helped, if only because it’s my hope.
You don't really need hope, if you have logic.
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