Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Mecca:
See I'm not broke, I could live like 6 months on my savings but not everyone can do that nor do I want to deplete that shit any faster than possible.
No, they can't and now is not the time to lecture people about it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
A part of me feels this way. At least for people with money. If you have a house payment, a car payment, you better have some spare income or you shouldn't have put yourself into debt to begin with.
If you have a shitty ass car, pay check to pay check, struggling to make your rent. I get it. And you should get help.
Rich or middle class people who can't budget property? I ain't gonna hear it.
Both of my cars are paid off, I only rent because I don't want to buy a house in Independence and I'm trying to let my high school age kids finish school in the district they started... [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
You don't save a little money every month, you might be up shit creek when the toilet flushes.
For non-married, childless people like us it's a little bit easier. I will say that. Not having children saves you just a shitload of money. A shit load. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pushead2:
How many funerals being held that have thousands of individuals as attendees?
I suspect very few. I ask again - what's your point?
That one had 'dozens' and was held outside. Which makes it a hell of a lot closer in scale to a grocery store than Madison Square Garden, does it not? [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
A part of me feels this way. At least for people with money. If you have a house payment, a car payment, you better have some spare income or you shouldn't have put yourself into debt to begin with.
If you have a shitty ass car, pay check to pay check, struggling to make your rent. I get it. And you should get help.
Rich or middle class people who can't budget property? I ain't gonna hear it.
I get that, in normal times. But these ain't normal times. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
For non-married, childless people like us it's a little bit easier. I will say that. Not having children saves you just a shitload of money. A shit load.
Yep. Estimates are somewhere in the range of $250k per kid to raise them from 0-17. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
For non-married, childless people like us it's a little bit easier. I will say that. Not having children saves you just a shitload of money. A shit load.
You're right. You know how much it costs a month to take care of one child? Whatever you think it is...double it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I am just saying if it can be transferred like that you would think that globally things would be even worse than they are.
If there was 100% chance or even 50% chance that someone's breath could pass it on to you, then sure.
But, maybe it's 5% (just throwing an number out there), so coming in close contact with one person probably wouldn't matter, but being crammed inside public transportation with another few thousand people would increase your odds (perhaps not a crazy amount given the number of people who have it vs. those who don't, but still).
If I had to completely guess, I'd think there would be a higher chance of catching it than surface and then face contact, but still relatively low in the grand scheme of things on a per-contact basis. [Reply]
Originally Posted by stumppy:
You're right. You know how much it costs a month to take care of one child? Whatever you think it is...double it.
I think my cat is expensive. Here at BWillie Exotic's Small Cat Rescue it costs me about $20 a month in food + $20 in temp cat box costs + $10 in cat litter.
What cha gotta do is feed yo kid ramen and meatloaf. Make them do yardwork so you don't have to pay your yard person. Make them clean your house so you don't have to pay a cleaning lady. Put those dwarfs to good use and make them work for you. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
If there was 100% chance or even 50% chance that someone's breath could pass it on to you, then sure.
But, maybe it's 5% (just throwing an number out there), so coming in close contact with one person probably wouldn't matter, but being crammed inside public transportation with another few thousand people would increase your odds (perhaps not a crazy amount given the number of people who have it vs. those who don't, but still).
If I had to completely guess, I'd think there would be a higher chance of catching it than surface and then face contact, but still relatively low in the grand scheme of things on a per-contact basis.
That's what I was saying. You may be able to get it this way but what are the real odds? I mean if the chances are like .25% chance you get it like that well then I guess technically it can be spread that way, right? [Reply]