Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Your state isn't densely packed so it's good to see that the numbers aren't exploding as they are in more densely populated areas.
Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan:
And we have the second highest rates per capita. Second only to Sweden.
Actually we are 9th and Sweden is 7th. If we exclude San Marino that would put things at 8th & 6th respectively with the UK, Spain, France and Italy all ahead of us. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan:
And we have the second highest rates per capita. Second only to Sweden.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Actually we are 9th and Sweden is 7th. If we exclude San Marino that would put things at 8th & 6th respectively with the UK, Spain, France and Italy all ahead of us.
Does anyone have links/sources to back up their shit? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Donger:
There isn't any argument. And here's a quote from an expert:
“If you look at the curves of outbreaks, they go big peaks, and then come down. What we need to do is flatten that down,” Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told reporters Tuesday. “That would have less people infected. That would ultimately have less deaths. You do that by trying to interfere with the natural flow of the outbreak.”
Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan:
And we have the second highest rates per capita. Second only to Sweden.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Actually we are 9th and Sweden is 7th. If we exclude San Marino that would put things at 8th & 6th respectively with the UK, Spain, France and Italy all ahead of us.
Originally Posted by sedated:
Does anyone have links/sources to back up their shit?
I must correct myself as I thought he was referring to deaths. He appears to be referring to cases in which we are 12th in cases per 1M and Sweden is 18th. [Reply]
Sure, We can now have "less deaths". What a cool new superpower. Why didn't we think of this before?
People do not want to accept the math. The area under the 2 curves we often refer to is the same.
The area is the amount of cases.
Flattening the curve was a strategy to prevent a run on the hospitals that would result in excessive deaths due to lack of resources.
The number of cases is still the same mathematically under both the sharp bell curve and the flattened bell curve.
This is not debatable unless math changed. Many, many, fine experts have stated the same amount of people are going to get the virus, we just needed to spread it out.
The only thing that would change that outcome is if at some point during the flattening we discovered a vaccine to prevent the spread. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Donger:
I'm not following you.
The only way we can come up with less deaths is to construct fairy tales that don't come true and then claim the measure taken saved us from the imaginary numbers made up.
What we were actually sold first was a lockdown to "slow the spread for 30 days" and delay infections for a bit to help out the hospitals.
Then...once they had us there the old bait and switch. Now we are saving lives! No explanation for how they are doing this or the proof of it has been presented as of yet. [Reply]
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
The only way we can come up with less deaths is to construct fairy tales that don't come true and then claim the measure taken saved us from the imaginary numbers made up.
What we were actually sold first was a lockdown to "slow the spread for 30 days" and delay infections for a bit to help out the hospitals.
Then...once they had us there the old bait and switch. Now we are saving lives! No explanation for how they are doing this or the proof of it has been presented as of yet.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
People do not want to accept the math. The area under the 2 curves we often refer to is the same.
The area is the amount of cases.
Flattening the curve was a strategy to prevent a run on the hospitals that would result in excessive deaths due to lack of resources.
The number of cases is still the same mathematically under both the sharp bell curve and the flattened bell curve.
This is not debatable unless math changed. Many, many, fine experts have stated the same amount of people are going to get the virus, we just needed to spread it out.
The only thing that would change that outcome is if at some point during the flattening we discovered a vaccine to prevent the spread.
I will say Neil "200 million will die from bird flu" Ferguson did construct a huge science experiment.
He was going to save all of us...but if you read the fine print we would need to follow his medical dystopia for 18 months or more to achieve his dream of not flattening the curve, but magically defeating the virus. We would just have to burn the village down to save it... [Reply]
I'm not crying out "CONSPIRACY!!!1!" or anything resembling it - but a lot of places suck ass at reporting things accurately.
Here's an attempt to compare Day of Death (Houston) with Reported Death (Harris Cnty) Houston~50% of Harris Cnty Pop & ~62% of C19 Deaths. -It gives a decent look at how C19 Deaths occurred much earlier than are being reported (most in June or before)@Hold2LLC@EthicalSkepticpic.twitter.com/nG8iLqTt5v
— Dr. Chris Summers, Ed.D. (@summers_llm) July 17, 2020
