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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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petegz28 01:22 PM 05-16-2020
Originally Posted by BWillie:
For some ppl. I got the flu in Feb. First time in about 15 years. I was fine after 2 days just a residual cough. Illnesses affect ppl differently.
Thus a case being mild and not-so-mild. I mean really are we going to argue now that a "mild case" somehow has severe results? Then it would be a severe case.
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petegz28 01:37 PM 05-16-2020
Okay, if this is really the Health Director in LA I can see why telling everyone to stay inside for months at a time isn't a reach for her.

How in the **** do you live in LA and are that ****ing white?


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DaneMcCloud 01:40 PM 05-16-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Okay, if this is really the Health Director in LA I can see why telling everyone to stay inside for months at a time isn't a reach for her.

How in the **** do you live in LA and are that ****ing white?

It sounds like you're under the false impression that everyone in Los Angeles has a suntan.

That's not even close to the truth.

I see more infinitely more tanned Caucasians in the KC Metro area than in Los Angeles.
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DaneMcCloud 01:42 PM 05-16-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Okay, if this is really the Health Director in LA I can see why telling everyone to stay inside for months at a time isn't a reach for her.
That also appears to be photoshopped:


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KCUnited 01:44 PM 05-16-2020
Dio lives! \m/
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Monticore 01:45 PM 05-16-2020
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
It sounds like you're under the false impression that everyone in Los Angeles has a suntan.

That's not even close to the truth.

I see more infinitely more tanned Caucasians in the KC Metro area than in Los Angeles.
Most of the tans in LA are probably spray tans anyways , skin cancer is still a thing I assume.
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Monticore 01:46 PM 05-16-2020
Originally Posted by KCUnited:
Dio lives! \m/
Rainbow in the dark is still one of my favs.
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petegz28 01:51 PM 05-16-2020
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
It sounds like you're under the false impression that everyone in Los Angeles has a suntan.

That's not even close to the truth.

I see more infinitely more tanned Caucasians in the KC Metro area than in Los Angeles.
Dude, alliteration aside, it's sarcasm.....
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KCUnited 02:01 PM 05-16-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Rainbow in the dark is still one of my favs.
My work started sending out these awkward daily motivational quotes every morning when most all of us started working from home. I setup my Outlook to move them directly to trash before I ever see them but I seriously thought about replying to all with rando Dio lyrics to see how long before anyone noticed.
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DaneMcCloud 02:02 PM 05-16-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Most of the tans in LA are probably spray tans anyways , skin cancer is still a thing I assume.
Yep and amount of sunblock required in order not to burn is ridiculous.

I need to put on a 50 in order not to burn in SoCal whereas in other places, like Florida or even the Midwest, a 4 is almost too much.
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Bob Dole 02:05 PM 05-16-2020
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
That also appears to be photoshopped:

So every photo of that ghoul available has been shopped?
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Monticore 02:05 PM 05-16-2020
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Yep and amount of sunblock required in order not to burn is ridiculous.

I need to put on a 50 in order not to burn in SoCal whereas in other places, like Florida or even the Midwest, a 4 is almost too much.
My wife won’t let me leave the house without at least 40 on and the sun is not as bad up here, she has removed enough skin cancer from friends and family to cause her some concern .
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petegz28 02:06 PM 05-16-2020
Tensions rise between the White House and CDC as Birx critiques virus tracking
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

By Kristen Holmes and Nick Valencia, CNN 3 hrs ago

As the coronavirus pandemic stretches past its ninth week, tensions are rising between the White House and the nation's leading public health agency. In interviews with CNN, senior administration officials in Washington, as well as top officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta describe a growing sense of mistrust and animosity between the White House and CDC over how quickly the US should reopen and how the government tracks data on the virus.
In particular, Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator for the President's coronavirus task force, has become increasingly critical of the CDC, making clear in recent meetings that she is more than frustrated with the agency, according to two senior administration officials. Specifically, Birx believes the way the CDC gathers data on the coronavirus is antiquated, causing inaccurate and delayed numbers on both virus cases and deaths.

Birx has expressed her agitation during recent task force meetings, where at least one conversation between her and CDC Director Robert Redfield has grown heated, according to a source close to the task force. Birx and Redfield have known each other for decades, due to their work on HIV research together. And while Birx defended Redfield to their peers earlier this year over the CDC's faulty test kits, her tone toward him has shifted dramatically in recent weeks, according to multiple officials and a source close to the task force.
There has also been significant tension between the White House and CDC over guidelines on how to reopen the country.
Last week, Redfield was forced to apologize to administration officials after a draft of the CDC's guidelines to reopening America were leaked to the media. The 68-page document outlined a detailed approach for how states, businesses and individuals could safely ease back into normalcy and were far more strict and detailed than the White House's own road map toward a return to normal, a CNN review found.
On Thursday the CDC published just 6 pages of graphics labeled "decision trees" as updated guidance. After spending "innumerable hours" on the guidance draft of recommendations, which they say was asked for specifically by Dr. Birx, two senior CDC officials tell CNN that the White House decision to shelve it for now in favor of a 6-page outline has only added to mounting frustration toward Birx within the CDC.
Tension between Birx and the CDC was first reported by the Washington Post.
One senior administration official told CNN that the slimmed down guidelines should not be seen as a rebuke of Redfield or the CDC inside the White House, since a whole national strategy was never on the table.
"It makes no sense for a movie theatre in a rural Tennessee town with zero COVID cases to be under the same restrictions as a theatre in New York," the official said.
Still, the limited guidelines combined with Birx's dust up with Redfield have underscored to many top officials the level of sway Birx has inside the White House, particularly with Trump.
Even as the President has publicly rebuked Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, he remains totally supportive of Birx, officials tell CNN. "She is charming and listens to him. She has found a way to shut down his bad ideas without making him feel diminished, unlike Fauci and some of the others," said one senior administration official. The President has expressed on multiple occasions how great he thinks Birx is, the official said, "It is clear that she has his ear."
Since Birx first joined the task force as its coordinator, there has been a healthy amount of skepticism toward her among senior CDC officials who spoke to CNN.

One senior official, who has known Birx since she served as the division director of Global HIV/AIDS at the CDC from 2005 to 2014, said Birx has always "enjoyed being front and center."
"From the beginning of her role at the White House, Debbie Birx is out for Debbie Birx," the official said.
In interviews with CNN over the past several weeks, CDC officials have expressed a disappointment that Birx has not done more to correct some of the misinformation that Trump has touted during many of the coronavirus press briefings. "As a scientist when you stand-up in front of all that, it doesn't help your credibility," said the same official in describing the prevailing view of officials within the CDC about Birx.
Regardless, Birx's criticism of the CDC data collection system doesn't appear to be without merit. According to health industry sources familiar with the system, there are numerous flaws in the way the CDC tracks the coronavirus, including that it is unable to track symptoms in real time.
In some cases with flu-like illnesses, primary care physicians who receive patients aren't getting the information out and processed by CDC for as long as a week — which makes contact tracing nearly impossible. Additionally, these sources note that state public health departments still use outdated technology like fax machines to transmit information.
As of May 16, CDC data still indicated 60,299 deaths and was last updated on May 15, while CNN's US death count, fueled by Johns Hopkins University data, stood at more than 87,000.

he CDC says states report at different rates. Currently, 63% of all US deaths are reported within 10 days of the date of death, but there is significant variation between states, the agency said.
"That's part of the problem, we don't know how far of a lag there is, but there definitely is a lag," one CDC official told CNN.
The CDC has been working on a major data modernization initiative to "spruce up the system," primarily by giving the state and local health departments the ability to gather data electronically in real time, federal officials said.
The system, which would help digitize the data using modern technology, will not be up and running until later this year, one official said.
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Titty Meat 02:38 PM 05-16-2020
Went to Gates to order To Go but quickly noped my way out of there as no customers were wearing masks nor was the staff.
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Chief Pagan 03:12 PM 05-16-2020
I guess in a month or two we should have better data on how much difference wearing mask makes. People walking in a park may or may not be wearing masks around here but at grocery stores and picking up take out it appears to be 100%.
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