Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Dr. Fauci said on Sanjays podcast today that there is something going on with this virus strain that we don’t have an explanation for yet. Why does someone go from flu symptoms in 24 hours on a ventvand 48 hours they are dead. But, someone with the same medical risks and age just gets flu like symptoms and doesn’t even see a doctor or even get tested till later.
Why are so many patients going into ARDS? Prior coronavirus strains didn’t cause this in the %’s they are seeing in the patients right now. B
The govenor said today that in NY only 20% of people that go on a vent, ever come off so far. 80% of citizens put on a ventilator either die or stay on a ventilator for the rest of their lives. Let’s hope that’s not the standard for the rest of the nation.
Spoke with my doc an hour ago. He mentioned similar concerns.
Also told me he currently has a handful of patients with the exact same story as me - up to and including the wild fluctuations in body temp, similar timelines, etc. All have tested negative for Flu-A, Flu-B and CV. One patient is on Day 16 of unrelenting symptoms, but breathing isn't impaired to the point of going to the hospital. [Reply]
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan:
Interesting the governor knows that people either dir or stay on vent "for the rest of their lives" considering what, we are like into this 6 weeks or so?
Critical listening skills would say said governor is "projecting things he should not"
maybe he’s trying to fear people into following the guidelines. That’s a good possibility for sure. Happens a lot in emergency situations to get the public to corporate.
But, based on my personal experience, I could tell within a week if 99% of my patients were ever coming off the ventilator. It was obvious to us all. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Cntrygal:
Our bars, restaurants etc are closed to public seating (some restaurants are doing takeout/curbside delivery etc). The parks/playgrounds are closed and they're recommending no gatherings above 10 and those should be people that you live with. All concerts/events have been cancelled through April.
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15:
Spoke with my doc an hour ago. He mentioned similar concerns.
Also told me he currently has a handful of patients with the exact same story as me - up to and including the wild fluctuations in body temp, similar timelines, etc. All have tested negative for Flu-A, Flu-B and CV. One patient is on Day 16 of unrelenting symptoms, but breathing isn't impaired to the point of going to the hospital.
but, for you at least, the good news is your on the other side of the dividing line. Your on that long road back to normal now. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
maybe he’s trying to fear people into following the guidelines. That’s a good possibility for sure. Happens a lot in emergency situations to get the public to corporate.
But, based on my personal experience, I could tell within a week if 99% of my patients were ever coming off the ventilator. It was obvious to us all.
I can appreciate him wanting to scare people into following the rules but that's not the way. [Reply]
I hope this flattens out — but my fear is we won’t get over the hump until we really lock everything down and restrict movement to a much greater extent than we are now. Hope we don’t get into a slow slide to the same “we have to shut it all down” place and all we do is watch a lot more people die and have the whole thing takes months longer than it should.
I don’t understand how you lift the sheltering orders if the infection can spread two months from now in the same way it spreads now? That one site says California will be on the backside of this in a couple months. What happens when a bunch of asymptomatic flies into LA from Florida where there is still an ongoing hot spot?
Like I said, hope this feeling is wrong.
Sucks to see us clear 1,000 deaths today. Hopefully this all ends soon. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
but, for you at least, the good news is your on the other side of the dividing line. Your on that long road back to normal now.
Meanwhile in Stockton...Did we mention San Joaquin County has more cases of COVID-19 than the entire Central Valley and Foothills COMBINED? 👀 pic.twitter.com/S9zvzdYK0Z
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Dr. Fauci said on Sanjays podcast today that there is something going on with this virus strain that we don’t have an explanation for yet. Why does someone go from flu symptoms in 24 hours on a ventvand 48 hours they are dead. But, someone with the same medical risks and age just gets flu like symptoms and doesn’t even see a doctor or even get tested till later.
Originally Posted by RINGLEADER:
I hope this flattens out — but my fear is we won’t get over the hump until we really lock everything down and restrict movement to a much greater extent than we are now. Hope we don’t get into a slow slide to the same “we have to shut it all down” place and all we do is watch a lot more people die and have the whole thing takes months longer than it should.
I don’t understand how you lift the sheltering orders if the infection can spread two months from now in the same way it spreads now? That one site says California will be on the backside of this in a couple months. What happens when a bunch of asymptomatic flies into LA from Florida where there is still an ongoing hot spot?
Like I said, hope this feeling is wrong.
Sucks to see us clear 1,000 deaths today. Hopefully this all ends soon.
Your view is a bit myopic. The hope is we find a treatment and eventually a vaccine. We cannot continue to hide from this as that won't work. This virus is with us now and will not ever truly go away.
And I agree, the 1000+ deaths is a real fucking bummer. But I would like to see the profiles. How many of these people were low risk vs. high risk? These are things we need to know for a lot of reasons. [Reply]
