Originally Posted by Mahomes4MVP:
That's not correct, though. There have currently been about 15.5 million cases in the U.S., with around 300,000 deaths. That's right around 2%. Now, that still might not sound like much, but that's 6.6 MILLION Americans dead if we just keep doing what we're doing (same # of people refusing masks, no vaccine, etc.).
What that statistic completely ignores is that 98% are surviving, but what numbers are going into that? How many aren't getting it as bad, because they're not getting as much of the virus (viral load) due to safety protocols (distancing, masks, etc.)?
Ask any "long termers" if simply not dying is good enough for them also, with the heart, lung, and blood clot issues they've developed.
I'd be interested to know what your threshold is for "this is serious enough for me to get vaccinated" is. 5%? 10% 50%? You're welcome to bet your life on that, but I'm not.
Those of us that get vaccinated will be safe within 2 weeks after the 2nd dose (from what I've read). At that point we won't need to care whether the rest of you want to catch it or not; although I hope you do get the vaccine for your sake and the sake of the healthcare workers that will be swamped by you.
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
What am I missing here? I mean normal occurrence 20/100,000 in nature but one has to assume the 38,000 they studied didn't have Bell's BEFORE they took the vaccine.
There's a 50% chance that I've already taken the vaccine. I volunteered for the Phase III Clinical Trial of the COVID vaccine from Johnson & Johnson. It's a one-shot vaccine, and I got it last Tuesday.
I told them before they gave me the injection that when the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine is available, I will probably drop out of the study and take the other vaccine unless they can tell me that I got the actual vaccine and not the placebo. They weren't surprised by that. I think several other participants told them the same thing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Lex Luthor:
There's a 50% chance that I've already taken the vaccine. I volunteered for the Phase III Clinical Trial of the COVID vaccine from Johnson & Johnson. It's a one-shot vaccine, and I got it last Tuesday.
I told them before they gave me the injection that when the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine is available, I will probably drop out of the study and take the other vaccine unless they can tell me that I got the actual vaccine and not the placebo. They weren't surprised by that. I think several other participants told them the same thing.
Thanks for volunteering.
Thats not a mRNA vaccine, correct? The best you can hope for is 70%-75% effective, correct?
The non mRNA vaccines has no chance to hit the 95% effective rate.Thats correct info Hamas? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Lex Luthor:
There's a 50% chance that I've already taken the vaccine. I volunteered for the Phase III Clinical Trial of the COVID vaccine from Johnson & Johnson. It's a one-shot vaccine, and I got it last Tuesday.
I told them before they gave me the injection that when the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine is available, I will probably drop out of the study and take the other vaccine unless they can tell me that I got the actual vaccine and not the placebo. They weren't surprised by that. I think several other participants told them the same thing.
It's probably actually much higher than 50%. They skew trials toward the vaccine, so you're probably more like 90% likely to have gotten it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Thats not a mRNA vaccine, correct? The best you can hope for is 70%-75% effective, correct?
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The non mRNA has no chance to hit the 95% effective rate.Thats correct info Hamas?
Not yet known and highly dependent upon the specific disease. Data from AstraZeneca/Oxford claim 90% efficacy with an inactivated virus in a half-dose/full-dose two shot series.
Inactivated vaccines can be extremely effective. Polio, for example, is over 99% effective when completing the full series. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Not yet known and highly dependent upon the specific disease. Data from AstraZeneca/Oxford claim 90% efficacy with an inactivated virus in a half-dose/full-dose two shot series.
Inactivated vaccines can be extremely effective. Polio, for example, is over 99% effective when completing the full series.
Thanks, good info.
I saw a report on TV last night about the Oxford study saying it wont reach 90%. But it was a BBC report. Those are usually pretty straight info without partisanship. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Thanks, good info.
I saw a report on TV last night about the Oxford study saying it wont reach 90%. But it was a BBC report. Those are usually pretty straight info without partisanship.
I would herald a guess that it's unlikely. I don't know how well their data is going to stand up to scrutiny, as events like decreased dosage increasing efficacy are somewhat unusual. Granted, numerous drugs have a dose-response curve where you reach a point of diminishing returns (perhaps due to receptor saturation or increased side effects), but giving the patients less dose leading to more immunoprotection after the second full dose strikes me as counterintuitive, but I'm not an immunologist. [Reply]
I hate how they dont know if you can still spread the virus even if you're vaccinated. Tbh 2 weeks after my 2nd round of vaccination I'm going back to living normal [Reply]
I'm not opposed, but I haven't heard a good reason to get it yet. I seem to be immune and I don't like you or your grandmother enough to worry for you. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
I hate how they dont know if you can still spread the virus even if you're vaccinated. Tbh 2 weeks after my 2nd round of vaccination I'm going back to living normal
That's a pretty big ask. In order to do that in a controlled trial you would need to expand the trial to close contacts that are also going to be isolated from other forms of COVID transmission but who will not be receiving the vaccine. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
That's a pretty big ask. In order to do that in a controlled trial you would need to expand the trial to close contacts that are also going to be isolated from other forms of COVID transmission but who will not be receiving the vaccine.
Yeah I get that and with that said I understand the whole point of these studies isnt to assume things obviously. With that said from my basic understanding I thought once you're vaccinated it's pretty much impossible to spread a virus? [Reply]