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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>****OFFICIAL 2019 Saccopoo CP Mock Draft Thread****
RealSNR 11:42 AM 03-09-2019
START DATE AND TIME: March 18th, noon central

RULES:

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Round 1
1. Arizona - kccrow - Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma
2. San Francisco - CoMoChief - Josh Allen, EDGE, Kentucky
3. New York Jets - staylor26 - Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio State
4. Oakland - Marco Polo - Quinnen Williams, DT, Alabama
5. Tampa Bay - Sfeihc - Dwayne Haskins, QB, OSU
6. New York Giants - TambaBerry - Devin White, LB, LSU
7. Jacksonville - Chief Northman - Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida
8. Detroit - chiefscafan - Brian Burns, EDGE, Florida State
9. Buffalo - DJ's left nut - Ed Oliver, DT, Houston
10. Denver - Hoover - Rashan Gary, DT, Michigan
11. Cincinnati - Rain Man - Cody Ford, OT, Oklahoma
12. Green Bay - RealSNR - Noah Fant, TE, Iowa
13. Miami - The Franchise - Drew Lock, QB, Missouri
14. Atlanta - BossChief - Montez Sweat, DE, Mississippi State
15. Washington - htismaqe - Daniel Jones, QB, Duke
16. Carolina - Chargem - Christian Wilkins, DT, Clemson
17. New York Giants (from Cleveland) - TambaBerry - Greedy Williams, CB, LSU
18. Minnesota - RealSNR - Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama
19. Tennessee - Marco Polo - Clelin Ferrell, EDGE, Clemson
20. Pittsburgh - chiefscafan - D.K. Metcalf, WR, Ole Miss
21. Seattle - BossChief - TJ Hockenson, TE, Iowa
22. Baltimore - TambaBerry - Devin Bush, LB, Michigan
23. Houston - CoMoChief - DeAndre Baker, CB, Georgia
24. Oakland (from Chicago) - Marco Polo - Byron Murphy, CB, Washington
25. Philadelphia - Chief Northman - Andre Dillard, OT, Washington State
26. Indianapolis - staylor26 - Nasir Adderley, S, Delaware
27. Oakland (from Dallas) - Marco Polo - Jachai Polite, EDGE, Florida
28. Los Angeles Chargers - Sfeihc - Jeffery Simmons, DT, Mississippi State
29. Kansas City - DJ's left nut - Garrett Bradbury, C, NC State
30. Green Bay (from New Orleans) - RealSNR - Dexter Lawrence, DT, Clemson
31. Los Angeles Rams - Hoover - Greg Little, OT, Mississippi
32. New England - kccrow - Johnathan Abram, S, Mississippi State

Round 2
33. Arizona - kccrow - Juan Thornhill, S, Virginia
34. Indianapolis (from NYJ) - staylor26 - Josh Jacobs, RB, Alabama
35. Oakland - Marco Polo - Dalton Risner, OT, Kansas State
36. San Francisco - CoMoChief - Amani Oruwariye, CB, Penn State
37. NY Giants - TambaBerry - A.J. Brown, WR, Ole Miss
38. Jacksonville - Chief Northman - Hakeem Butler, WR, Iowa State
39. Tampa Bay - Sfeihc - Parris Campbell, WR, Ohio State
40. Buffalo - DJ's left nut - Irv Smith, TE, Alabama
41. Denver - Hoover - Trayvon Mullen, CB, Clemson
42. Cincinnati - Rain Man - Mack Wilson, ILB, Alabama
43. Detroit - chiefscafan - Taylor Rapp, S, Washington
44. Green Bay - RealSNR - Jerry Tillery, DT, Notre Dame
45. Atlanta - BossChief - Rock Ya-Sin, CB, Temple
46. Washington - htismaqe - J.J. Arcega-Whiteside, WR, Stanford
47. Carolina - Chargem - Marquise Brown, WR, Oklahoma
48. Miami - The Franchise - Justin Layne, CB, Michigan State
49. Cleveland - The Franchise - Yodny Cajuste, OT, West Virginia
50. Minnesota - RealSNR - Deionte Thompson, S, Alabama
51. Tennessee - Marco Polo - Chris Lindstrom, G, Boston College
52. Pittsburgh - chiefscafan - Julian Love, CB, Notre Dame
53. Philadelphia (from BAL) - Chief Northman - Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, S, Florida
54. Houston (from SEA) - CoMoChief - D'Andre Walker, EDGE, Georgia
55. Houston - CoMoChief - Darnell Savage, S, Maryland
56. New England (from CHI) - kccrow - Zach Allen, DE, Boston College
57. Philadelphia - Chief Northman - David Montgomery, RB, Iowa State
58. Dallas - Chargem - Riley Ridley, WR, Georgia
59. Indianapolis (from NYJ) - staylor26 - N’Keal Harry, WR, Arizona State
60. LA Chargers - Sfeihc - Deebo Samuel, WR, South Carolina
61. Kansas City - DJ's left nut - Charles Omenihu, DE, Texas
62. New Orleans - htismaqe - Joejuan Williams, CB, Vanderbilt
63. Kansas City (from LAR) - DJ's left nut - Dre'Mont Jones, DT, OSU
64. New England - kccrow - Kahale Warring, TE, San Diego State

Round 3
65. Arizona - kccrow - Jaylon Ferguson, DE, Louisiana Tech
66. Pittsburgh (from Oakland) - chiefscafan - Tre Lamar, ILB, Clemson
67. San Francisco - CoMoChief - Darrell Henderson, RB, Memphis
68. New York Jets – staylor26 - David Edwards, OT, Wisconsin
69. Jacksonville – Chief Northman - Erik McCoy, C/G, Texas A&M
70. Tampa Bay - Sfeihc - L.J. Collier, DE, TCU
71. [Forfeited] New York Giants
72. Denver - Hoover - Michael Jordan, C/G, Ohio State
73. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Chase Winovich, DE, Michigan
74. New England (from Detroit) - kccrow - Max Scharping, OT, Northern Illinois
75. Buffalo – DJ’s left nut - Michael Deiter, G, Wisconsin
76. Green Bay – RealSNR - Evan Worthington, S, Colorado
77. Washington – htismaqe - Nate Davis, OG, Charlotte
78. Carolina - Chargem - Oshane Ximines, EDGE, Old Dominion
79. Miami – The Franchise - Conner McGovern, OG, Penn State
80. Atlanta – BossChief - Mike Weber, RB, Ohio State
81. Cleveland – The Franchise - David Long, CB, Michigan
82. Minnesota – RealSNR - Elgton Jenkins, C, Mississippi State
83. Tennessee – MarcoPolo - Kaden Smith, TE, Stanford
84. Pittsburgh – chiefscafan - Justice Hill, RB, Oklahoma State
85. Seattle – BossChief - Ryan Finley, QB, North Carolina State
86. Baltimore – TambaBerry - Amani Hooker, S, Iowa
87. Houston - CoMoChief - Andy Isabella, WR, Massachusetts
88. Chicago – Rain Man - Miles Sanders, RB, Penn State
89. Detroit (from Philadelphia) - chiefscafan - Damien Harris, RB, Alabama
90. Indianapolis – staylor26 - Sean Bunting, CB, Central Michigan
91. Dallas – Chargem - Isaiah Buggs, DL, Alabama
92. Los Angeles Chargers – Sfeihc - Kaleb McGary, OT, Washington
93. Kansas City – DJ’s left nut - Germaine Pratt, LB, North Carolina State
94. New York Jets (from New Orleans) – staylor26 - Lonnie Johnson Jr., CB, Kentucky
95. Los Angeles Rams - Hoover - Jamel Dean, CB, Auburn
96. New York Giants (from New England) – TambaBerry - Will Grier, QB, West Virginia
97. Washington - htismaqe - Joe Jackson, EDGE/DE, Miami
98. New England - kccrow - Gerald Willis, DT, Miami
99. Jacksonville (from LA Rams) – Chief Northman - Joe Giles-Harris, ILB, Duke
100. Los Angeles Rams - Hoover - T.J. Edwards, ILB, Wisconsin
101. Carolina - Chargem - Ben Powers, G, Oklahoma
102. New England - kccrow - Miles Boykin, WR, Notre Dame
103. Baltimore - TambaBerry - Jalen Hurd, WR, Baylor

Round 4
104. Arizona - kccrow - Khalen Saunders, DT, Western Illinois
105. San Francisco - CoMoChief - Christian Miller, EDGE, Alabama
106. NY Jets – staylor26 - Mecole Hardman, WR, Georgia
107. Oakland – Marco Polo - Vosean Joseph, LB, Florida
108. Tampa Bay – Sfeihc - Tytus Howard, OT, Alabama State
109. New York Giants – TambaBerry - Will Harris, SS, Boston College
110. Jacksonville – Chief Northman - Devin Singletary, RB, FAU
111. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Bobby Evans, OT, Oklahoma
112. Detroit - chiefscafan - Hunter Renfrow, WR, Clemson
113. Buffalo – DJ’s left nut - Blake Cashman, LB, Minnesota
114. Baltimore (from Denver) - TambaBerry - Josh Oliver, TE, San Jose State
115. Green Bay – RealSNR - Emanuel Hall, WR, Missouri
116. Carolina – Chargem - Drue Tranquill, LB, Notre Dame
117. Miami – The Franchise - Anthony Nelson, DE, Iowa
118. Atlanta - BossChief - Terrill Hanks, LB, New Mexico State
119. Green Bay (from Washington) - RealSNR - Jordan Brown, CB, South Dakota State
120. Cleveland – The Franchise - Mike Bell, S, Fresno State
121. Minnesota - RealSNR - Renell Wren, DT, Arizona State
122. Tennessee – Marco Polo - Kelvin Harmon, WR, North Carolina State
123. Pittsburgh - chiefscafan - Porter Gustin , LB/DE, USC
124. Baltimore - TambaBerry - Austin Bryant, EDGE, Clemson
125. Seattle - BossChief - Ben Banogu, EDGE, TCU
126. Denver (from Houston) - Hoover - Caleb Wilson, TE, UCLA
127. Chicago – Rain Man - Jace Sternberger, TE, Texas A&M
128. Philadelphia – Chief Northman - Daniel Wise, DT, Kansas
129. Dallas - Chargem - Dawson Knox, TE, Ole Miss
130. Indianapolis – staylor26 - Armon Watts, DT, Arkansas
131. Los Angeles Chargers - Sfeihc - Isaiah Johnson, CB, Houston
132. Buffalo (from Kansas City) – DJ’s left nut - Terry McLaurin, WR, Ohio State
133. New York Giants (from New Orleans) – Tambaberry - Trey Pipkins, OT, Sioux Falls
134. Los Angeles Rams - Hoover - Ross Pierschbacher, G, Alabama
135. New England - kccrow - Jarrett Stidham, QB, Auburn
136. Indianapolis – staylor26 - Shareef Miller, EDGE, Penn State
137. Dallas - Chargem - Saivion Smith, CB, Alabama
138. Atlanta - BossChief - Greg Gaines, DT, Washington
139. Philadelphia – Chief Northman - Chase Hansen, OLB, Utah

Round 5
140. Arizona - kccrow - David Sills, WR, West Virginia
141. Oakland (from NYJ) - Marco Polo - Benny Snell, Jr., RB, Kentucky
142. Pittsburgh (from OAK) - chiefscafan - Ryan Bates, OG, Penn State
143. NY Giants (from DET) - Tambaberry - Elijah Holyfield, RB, Georgia
144. NY Giants - Tambaberry - Jaquan Johnson, S, Miami
145. Cleveland (from JAX) - The Franchise - Trysten Hill, DT, Central Florida
146. Tampa Bay - Sfeihc - Maxx Crosby, EDGE, Eastern Michigan
147. Detroit - chiefscafan - Kyle Shurmur, QB, Vanderbilt
148. Buffalo - DJ's left nut - Chuma Edoga, OT, USC
149. Denver - Hoover - Marvell Tell, III, S, USC
150. Cincinnati - Rain Man - Kris Boyd, CB, Texas
151. Green Bay - RealSNR - Dennis Daley, OT, South Carolina
152. Miami - The Franchise - Daylon Mack, DT, Texas A&M
153. Atlanta - BossChief - Clayton Thorson, QB, Northwestern
154. Washington - htismaqe - Andrew Wingard, S, Wyoming
155. Carolina - Chargem - Wyatt Ray, EDGE, Boston College
156. NY Giants (from CLE) - Tambaberry - Mitch Hyatt, OL, Clemson
157. Denver (from MIN) - Hoover - Tyree Jackson, QB, Buffalo
158. Tennessee - Marco Polo - Demarcus Christmas, DT, Florida State
159. Buffalo (from OAK) - DJ's left nut - Justin Hollins, EDGE, Oregon
160. Seattle - BossChief - Chris Slayton, DT, Syracuse
161. Baltimore - Tambaberry - Isaiah Prince, OL, Ohio State
162. Houston - CoMoChief - Darwin Thompson, RB, Utah State
163. Chicago - Rain Man - Cole Tracy, K, LSU
164. Philadelphia - Chief Northman - Michael Jackson, CB, Miami
165. Indianapolis - staylor26 - Beau Benzschawel, OG, Wisconsin
166. Dallas - Chargem - Sutton Smith, EDGE, Northern Illinois
167. LA Chargers - Sfeihc - Marquise Blair, S, Utah
168. Kansas City - DJ's left nut - Mark Fields, CB, Clemson
169. New Orleans - htismaqe - Alize Mack, TE, Notre Dame
170. LA Rams - Hoover - Terry Beckner, Jr. DT, Missouri
171. Cleveland (from NE) - The Franchise - Ben Burr-Kirven, LB, Washington
172. NY Giants (COMP) - Tambaberry - Lil'Jordan Humphrey WR, Texas
173. Atlanta (COMP) - BossChief - William Sweet, OT, North Carolina
174. Washington (COMP) - htismaqe - Penny Hart, WR, Georgia State

Round 6
175. Arizona – kccrow - Bryce Love, RB, Stanford
176. Pittsburgh (from Oakland) – chiefscafan - Alijah Holder, CB, Stanford
177. San Francisco – CoMoChief - Dru Samia, OG, Oklahoma
178. New Orleans (from NY Jets) – htismaqe - Cortez Broughton, DL, Cincinnati
179. Jacksonville – Chief Northman - Ricky Walker, DL, Virgina Tech
180. Arizona (from Tampa Bay) – kccrow - Kingsley Keke, DT, Texas A&M
181. New York Giants – Tambaberry - Kendall Sheffield, CB, Ohio St
182. Buffalo – DJ’s left nut - Trayveon Williams, RB, Texas A&M
183. Denver – Hoover - Andre James, OT/G, UCLA
184. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Antoine Wesley, WR, Texas Tech
185. Detroit – chiefscafan - Ryan Pope, OT, San Diego State
186. Green Bay – RealSNR - Mike Edwards, S, Kentucky
187. Atlanta – BossChief - Te’Von Coney, LB, Notre Dame
188. [Forfeited] Washington
189. Carolina – Chargem - Blace Brown, CB, Troy
190. Miami – The Franchise - Olisaemeka Udoh, OT, Elon
191. Cleveland – The Franchise - Hamp Cheevers, CB, Boston College
192. Minnesota – RealSNR - Rodney Anderson, RB, Oklahoma
193. Baltimore (from Tennessee) – Tambaberry - Carl Granderson, EDGE, Wyoming
194. Pittsburgh – chiefscafan - Zach Gentry, TE, Michigan
195. Baltimore – Tambaberry - David Long Jr., LB, West Virginia
196. Green Bay (from Seattle) – RealSNR - Isaac Nauta, TE, Georgia
197. Houston – CoMoChief - Jalen Jelks, EDGE, Oregon
198. New York Jets (from Chicago) – staylor26 - Albert Huggins, DT, Clemson
199. Philadelphia – Chief Northman - Jakobi Meyers, WR, North Carolina State
200. Cincinnati (from Dallas) – Rain Man - Preston Williams, WR, Colorado State
201. Indianapolis – staylor26 - Jahlani Tavai, LB, Hawaii
202. Los Angeles Chargers – Sfeihc - Cameron Smith, LB, USC
203. Kansas City – DJ’s left nut - Anthony Ratliff-Williams, WR, UNC
204. New Orleans – htismaqe - Brett Rypien, QB, Boise St
205. Los Angeles Rams – Hoover - Jon'Vea Johnson, WR, Toledo
206. Detroit (from New England) – chiefscafan - Terronne Prescod, OG, North Carolina State
207. New England – kccrow - Dontavius Russell, DT, Auburn
208. Washington – htismaqe - Foster Moreau, TE, LSU
209. Pittsburgh (from Arizona) - chiefscafan - Darryl Johnson, OLB/DE, North Carolina A &T
210. Tampa Bay (from Philadelphia) – Sfeihc - Sheldrick Redwine, S, Miami
211. Minnesota – RealSNR - Drew Sample, TE, Washington
212. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Dax Raymond, TE, Utah State
213. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Easton Stick, QB, North Dakota State
214. San Francisco – CoMoChief - Jamal Peters, CB, Mississippi State
215. Cincinnati – Rain Man - Bobby Okereke, LB, Stanford
216. Kansas City – DJ’s left nut - Saquon Hampton, S, Rutgers

Round 7
217. Tampa Bay - Sfeihc - Ryquell Armstead, RB, Temple
218. Kansas City (from SF) - DJ's left nut - Stanley Morgan Jr, WR, Nebraska
219. NY Jets - staylor26 - Iosua Opeta, OG, Weber State
220. Oakland - Marco Polo - Dakota Allen, LB, Texas Tech
221. Pittsburgh (from TB) - chiefscafan - Ugochukwu Amadi, S, Oregon
222. NY Giants - Tambaberry - Jazz Ferguson, WR, Northwestern State
223. Cleveland (from JAX) - The Franchise - Khari Willis, S, Michigan State
224. Philadelphia (from DEN) - Chief Northman - Lamont Gaillard, C, Georgia
225. Cincinnati - Rain Man - Matt Gay, K, Utah
226. Detroit - chiefscafan - Tommy Sweeney, TE, Boston College
227. Buffalo - DJ's left nut - Corey Ballentine, CB, Washburn
228. Green Bay - RealSNR - Shaq Calhoun, G, Mississippi State
229. Washington - htismaqe - Devine Ozigbo, RB, Nebraska
230. Carolina - Chargem - Tyler Jones, OT, NC State
231. Detroit (from MIA) - chiefscafan - Jimmy Moreland, CB, James Madison University
232. Atlanta - BossChief - Hjalte Froholdt, OG, Arkansas
233. Miami (from CLE) - The Franchise - Dexter Williams, RB, Notre Dame
234. NY Giants (from MIN) - Tambaberry - DaMarkus Lodge, WR, Ole Miss
235. Miami (from TEN) - The Franchise - Tim Ward, DE, Old Dominion
236. Cleveland (from PIT) - The Franchise - Alex Bars, OG, Notre Dame
237. Oakland (from SEA) - Marco Polo - Martez Ivey, OT, Florida
238. Jacksonville (from BAL) - Chief Northman - Lukas Denis, S, Boston College
239. Houston - CoMoChief - Xavier Crawford, CB, Central Michigan
240. Chicago - Rain Man - Montre Hartage, CB, Northwestern
241. New England (from PHI) - kccrow - Karan Higdon, RB, Michigan
242. Indianapolis - staylor26 - Darius Slayton, WR, Auburn
243. Dallas - Chargem - Ronheen Bingham, DE, Arkansas State
244. Buffalo (from LAC) - DJ's left nut - John Cominsky, DE, Charleston
245. San Francisco (from KC) - CoMoChief - Iman Marshall, CB, USC
246. New Orleans - htismaqe - Dillon Mitchell, WR, Oregon
247. NY Giants (from LAR) - Tambaberry - Gary Jennings, WR, WVU
248. New England - kccrow - Cole Holcomb, ILB, North Carolina
249. Minnesota (COMP) - RealSNR - Keesean Johnson, WR, Fresno State
250. Arizona (COMP) - kccrow - Anthony Johnson, WR, Buffalo
251. Arizona (COMP) - kccrow - Jordan Brailford, EDGE, Oklahoma St.
252. Minnesota (COMP) - RealSNR - Stephen Denmark, CB, Valdosta State
253. LA Rams (COMP) -Hoover - Nate Hall, OLB, Northwestern
254. New England (COMP) - kccrow - Nik Needham, CB, UTEP
255. Washington (COMP) - htismaqe - Malik Gant, S, Marshall
256. Arizona (COMP) - kccrow - Derwin Gray, OT, Maryland
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kccrow 09:59 AM 03-22-2019
With the 65th pick, the Arizona Cardinals select Jaylon Ferguson, DE, Louisiana Tech


The Cards finally do something to address their anemic pass rush. Ferguson lacks run-stopping ability but he does one thing really well and that's get pressure.
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MotherfuckerJones 10:01 AM 03-22-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
And I just don't see the 'fluid' side of that statement. He's big, for sure. But I watched him pretty closely during the CB drills and I didn't see a guy who's hips turned nearly as well as I'd like.

And during SEC play (who cares about non-con) he would follow up a nice play by being turned around by smaller, quicker WRs. Let's say we lose Fuller and manage to keep Ward and Breeland, I think we're gonna have a hard time with timing offenses at that point because I think both Williams and Ward will struggle with the same kind of player.

And he looked suuuuper grabby. That's something that becomes an even bigger problem at the next level when these guys have spent years learning how to use their feet to break a press (and coaches have spent hours figuring out how to scheme them into space). I think he'll have penalty issues, especially in the near term.

Like I said, I'd have probably taken him anyway with that Rams pick because I also see a decent fallback option if he doesn't develop his technique to deal with some of those issues. But I'm not crushed by having to take Jones instead.
It’s been awhile since I watch his tape, but when I saw him he looked like he moved well. I have to go back to my notes. I didn’t get to the combine drills. I have it all recorded. I understand the “grabby” but KC has some really good coaching that I think can minimize that now.


That said, this is why Veach is moving up. Because he’s not taking a fucking center at 29 when we have huge needs on defense at all 3 levels
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kccrow 10:03 AM 03-22-2019
I like Dre'Mont Jones and feel like he's a value at 63. I feel as though Omenihu is a monster reach at 61 though, but it's very Veach-like based on what I saw from him last year.
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DJ's left nut 10:06 AM 03-22-2019
Originally Posted by MotherfuckerJones:
It’s been awhile since I watch his tape, but when I saw him he looked like he moved well. I have to go back to my notes. I didn’t get to the combine drills. I have it all recorded. I understand the “grabby” but KC has some really good coaching that I think can minimize that now.


That said, this is why Veach is moving up. Because he’s not taking a fucking center at 29 when we have huge needs on defense at all 3 levels
I'd kill a nun to turn that 49ers 2nd into a mid-2nd this year if the draft fell like this.

If I could've added Bradbury, Walker, Omenihu and Jones from this draft...phew, that would've been sweet.

It would probably end up costing the 3rd rounder, but if I could give up a 3rd and next years 49ers 2nd to get a mid-2nd in this year's draft and a 4th, I'd probably do that. I just don't know that you're pulling that off.
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MotherfuckerJones 10:10 AM 03-22-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I'd kill a nun to turn that 49ers 2nd into a mid-2nd this year if the draft fell like this.

If I could've added Bradbury, Walker, Omenihu and Jones from this draft...phew, that would've been sweet.

It would probably end up costing the 3rd rounder, but if I could give up a 3rd and next years 49ers 2nd to get a mid-2nd in this year's draft and a 4th, I'd probably do that. I just don't know that you're pulling that off.
And my problem still remains in the secondary. Breeland, Fuller and Ward just ain’t going to cut it. Honey Badger needs a good running mate. I like Watts but I’m not banking on that.

So I probably would’ve went Rapp at 29. If the board looks like that, I hope Veach moves back. You could crush this draft in rounds 2-3
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htismaqe 10:10 AM 03-22-2019
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
O.city can fuck off.
This is a given.
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DJ's left nut 10:19 AM 03-22-2019
Originally Posted by MotherfuckerJones:
And my problem still remains in the secondary. Breeland, Fuller and Ward just ain’t going to cut it. Honey Badger needs a good running mate. I like Watts but I’m not banking on that.

So I probably would’ve went Rapp at 29. If the board looks like that, I hope Veach moves back. You could crush this draft in rounds 2-3
But if I go Rapp at 29, I'm probably still going McCoy at 61. And to be honest, I was gambling a little that Gardner-Johnson would fall to 61. CGJ might be my favorite running mate alongside Mathieu in this draft. He's a true single-high who can move down into the slot if needed. You could swing a true Cover 0 there with him and Mathieu and be in pretty good shape when the situation called for it.

I think the emphasis we've seen on run defense w/ Okafor and trading Ford suggests that we are looking at the DL to do more in the run game rather than relying on box safeties coming up and finishing plays. Especially with Mathieu also being a damn good downhill safety. So with the second safety position I'm looking for a rangy sort of player that I think can play a true CF.

A) I think CGJ would be outstanding in that regard but B) I thought that if I lost him, I don't mind seeing what we have in Lucas and Watts there. Lucas was at his best when he was seeing deep coverage assignments and as he gets a little more experience, I think his raw athleticism will shine through even better.

I think we're in better shape back there than many do. We have a couple of solid complementary coverage safety prospects in Lucas and Watts who I think can get the job done well.
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htismaqe 10:30 AM 03-22-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
But if I go Rapp at 29, I'm probably still going McCoy at 61. And to be honest, I was gambling a little that Gardner-Johnson would fall to 61. CGJ might be my favorite running mate alongside Mathieu in this draft. He's a true single-high who can move down into the slot if needed. You could swing a true Cover 0 there with him and Mathieu and be in pretty good shape when the situation called for it.

I think the emphasis we've seen on run defense w/ Okafor and trading Ford suggests that we are looking at the DL to do more in the run game rather than relying on box safeties coming up and finishing plays. Especially with Mathieu also being a damn good downhill safety. So with the second safety position I'm looking for a rangy sort of player that I think can play a true CF.

A) I think CGJ would be outstanding in that regard but B) I thought that if I lost him, I don't mind seeing what we have in Lucas and Watts there. Lucas was at his best when he was seeing deep coverage assignments and as he gets a little more experience, I think his raw athleticism will shine through even better.

I think we're in better shape back there than many do. We have a couple of solid complementary coverage safety prospects in Lucas and Watts who I think can get the job done well.
Right now, they don't have enough CB's on the roster to actually play a game. That being said, I don't really have a problem with what you've done. They've got Mahomes, everything else is gravy.
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MotherfuckerJones 10:33 AM 03-22-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
But if I go Rapp at 29, I'm probably still going McCoy at 61. And to be honest, I was gambling a little that Gardner-Johnson would fall to 61. CGJ might be my favorite running mate alongside Mathieu in this draft. He's a true single-high who can move down into the slot if needed. You could swing a true Cover 0 there with him and Mathieu and be in pretty good shape when the situation called for it.

I think the emphasis we've seen on run defense w/ Okafor and trading Ford suggests that we are looking at the DL to do more in the run game rather than relying on box safeties coming up and finishing plays. Especially with Mathieu also being a damn good downhill safety. So with the second safety position I'm looking for a rangy sort of player that I think can play a true CF.

A) I think CGJ would be outstanding in that regard but B) I thought that if I lost him, I don't mind seeing what we have in Lucas and Watts there. Lucas was at his best when he was seeing deep coverage assignments and as he gets a little more experience, I think his raw athleticism will shine through even better.

I think we're in better shape back there than many do. We have a couple of solid complementary coverage safety prospects in Lucas and Watts who I think can get the job done well.
Big fan of CGJ. He showed a ton of improvement from 2017-2018. I’d be more than happy with him at 29 also because these guys aren’t falling to 61. I just don’t want the scrap heap at corner and safety, so passing on them at 29 leads to that at 61 and 63.
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MotherfuckerJones 10:37 AM 03-22-2019
I also fee Omenihu and Jones are both inside guys. Not a fan of Omenihu at edge/end. He’s more explosive inside.

I’d just feel much better with a Rapp, Jones and someone else.
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DJ's left nut 10:39 AM 03-22-2019
Originally Posted by MotherfuckerJones:
Big fan of CGJ. He showed a ton of improvement from 2017-2018. I’d be more than happy with him at 29 also because these guys aren’t falling to 61. I just don’t want the scrap heap at corner and safety, so passing on them at 29 leads to that at 61 and 63.
It's possible, but unlikely, that the safeties fly off the board like they have in this draft.

We've all had our noses so buried in our books looking at Defense for this team that we've built up some guys, especially at safety, that are probably inflated a bit in our world.

Rapp may be one of those guys, especially if you're looking at him as a 1st rounder. Gardner-Johnson, OTOH, I think was undervalued because I think some team out there will love him as a single-high type who I think really could sneak into the 1st.

It will just be awfully interesting to see how this goes. The amount of safeties flying around in FA could cut either direction. It could either convince teams that they've already committed enough organizational resources to the position to let it slide OR it could convince them that the position is getting expensive enough that they should target it more heavily in the draft.

I'm really intrigued how NFL front offices are going to view safety in this draft. It's an open question, IMO.
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chiefscafan 10:41 AM 03-22-2019
The Pittsburgh Steelers select Tre Lamar, ILB, Clemson

The Steelers have never truly recovered from the Ryan Shazier injury. Tre Lamsr is exciting dynamic LB who has major room for growth and can possibly become the new leader of the new Steel Curiain. Excited that he was available this late.
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The Franchise 10:42 AM 03-22-2019
Would you have taken Adderely over Bradbury if he was there at 29?
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DJ's left nut 10:42 AM 03-22-2019
Originally Posted by MotherfuckerJones:
I also fee Omenihu and Jones are both inside guys. Not a fan of Omenihu at edge/end. He’s more explosive inside.

I’d just feel much better with a Rapp, Jones and someone else.
Worst case scenario is that Omenihu is an excellent long-term SDE for us.

His punch/hands are top-notch. He may never have the bend to be a true LEO as we have come to know them, a guy that can just lean around the tackle to finish the play. But even if that doesn't happen, you put him on that strong side and let him win with technique and I think he's a stud.

Part of my fondness for Omenihu comes from my general disdain for Speaks and distrust of K-Pass.
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DJ's left nut 10:47 AM 03-22-2019
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
Would you have taken Adderely over Bradbury if he was there at 29?
Yes.

Because of the versatility and what he could free up Spags to do with Mathieu. If you're arguing for Rapp, that's how you're doing it (I just like Adderly more).

You could have two almost completely interchangeable safeties who could go into the box or back into coverage on any given snap. Hell, they could slip into short zones or even the slot and free up some interesting blitz possibilities. It really makes it tough to guess how to deploy route combinations or even protections when you don't know who's gonna be going up/back, releasing or running.

I think that's probably what Crow envisions with Thornhill; I simply think Adderly plays with a litte more edge and a brings a little better skill in space. And I think that's what the Rapp fans are envisioning as well, but I don't think Rapp has the agility/fluidity to be a real asset in single-high. If I'm comparing Thornhill to Addrerly I'm comparing Rapp to Abrams.

I think Adderly can be the second swiss army knife back there that opens up a lot of possibilities.
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