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lewdog 09:12 PM 02-11-2020
Please vote.

I am conducting research.
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RunKC 10:46 AM 02-12-2020
“ The average private school tuition in Kansas is approximately $7,790 per year (2020).”

$650/month not counting extra for uniforms, books, mandatory events, lunch?, etc. So that’s more like $750/month.

Even with a slightly reduced rate for a scholarship, it’s still outrageously priced. The middle class can’t afford that shit.
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GloryDayz 10:54 AM 02-12-2020
BEP's outraged.
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GloryDayz 10:54 AM 02-12-2020
Originally Posted by fan4ever:
I was home schooled.

I was also the homecoming King, Captain of the baseball, football and basketball teams and the valedictorian.
Did you ever get suspended?
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BucEyedPea 10:56 AM 02-12-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
“ The average private school tuition in Kansas is approximately $7,790 per year (2020).”

$650/month not counting extra for uniforms, books, mandatory events, lunch?, etc. So that’s more like $750/month.

Even with a slightly reduced rate for a scholarship, it’s still outrageously priced.
That's pretty reasonable for today to me.

Originally Posted by :
The middle class can’t afford that shit.
They can if they alter their other expenses. I don't understand how any parent could not want a better education for their children and make some sacrifices. At least in the first three grades where they learn how to decode letters/sounds for good reading skills and fundamental math. You get that underway, even if you put them in a public school later they will be better off. There's a way to work around it. That was my original plan, but mine was thriving so I kept her in her private school.

Then you would have to closely monitor their text books if put in a public school later: what they're being told by teachers or even digging into the syllabus of high school classes so you can counter bad ideas. I used to go to HSs before I was even a parent and collect them, expose them with letters to the editor of newspapers which always got printed. You'd be surprised at what is buried in health curriculums that is politicized for certain agendas.

Then theirs the bad social environment of bad behaviors at some public schools. Of course that can happen at some private ones because our culture has been so degraded but it's something you could check out too. It takes effort and work. Public schools are really just a way for too many parents to get their children out from under-foot imo. They don't want to be involved.
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AdolfOliverBush 11:02 AM 02-12-2020
All of the many homeschooled people I've known over the years fall into one of two categories:

1. Intelligent and socially inept.

2. Stupid and socially inept.
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BucEyedPea 11:02 AM 02-12-2020
Originally Posted by GloryDayz:
BEP's outraged.
That would be you. I know you worship gub'ment schools--especially for socialization Spartan-style. I bet your kids socialization has turned out as angry and nasty as you. :-)
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BucEyedPea 11:07 AM 02-12-2020
Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush:
All of the many homeschooled people I've known over the years fall into one of two categories:

1. Intelligent and socially inept.

2. Stupid and socially inept.
And you have met all of 2 perhaps.

Socially-inept meaning, they don't behave as a prog would. We get it. You value different behaviors/values over others. That's all this means.

I wouldn't say how kids are socially today is something to be proud-of--except to a prog, commie/socialist or degenerate. You probably think joining Antifa to beat-up those you disagree with politically is quality behavior socially.
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AdolfOliverBush 11:11 AM 02-12-2020
Originally Posted by BucEyedPea:
And you have met all of 2 perhaps.

Socially-inept meaning, they don't behave as a prog would. We get it. You value different behaviors/values over others. That's all this means.

I wouldn't say how kids are socially today is something to be proud-of--except to a prog, commie/socialist or degenerate. You probably think joining Antifa to beat-up those you disagree with politically is quality behavior socially.
I've met far more than two.

You have the personality of a period cramp, and you get information from lewrockwell.com.

Your category is painfully obvious.
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Detoxing 11:13 AM 02-12-2020
Originally Posted by F150:

I understand the home school approach but see how narrow the education is when you don't have exposure to different views and learn to evaluate things in a logical informed manner. Those kids are cheated out of one of the great benefits of a education that offer options and insight you cant get from HomeSchooling
And the Home school advocates will argue that you can do all of these fun events and have all of these environments you can expose your child to. And there's so many more ways a child can learn outside of a classroom environment.

And yeah, they're right. But what they don't tell you is, is that just because you can doesn't mean you do. Nor does the few times you take the kid out to a museum make up for the lack of social interaction.

Those difficult conversations with your peers, the awkward ones, the angry ones, the fun ones and stressful ones....they all build character and those challenges and feelings when dealing with each one is essentially practice for adult hood. You're trading that in for an environment in which the parent is in complete control of everything, often with the intent to shield the child from challenges.

I like the idea of home schooling if it's done by the right parents with the right intent. And i just don't think all of these home schooling parents are doing their kids any favors.

It seems to me that Home schooling is much more about indoctrination and control than actually enriching a child mentally, physically and emotionally. It's about making the child think like you because you think you know everything, rather than the child learning everything he can and letting him form his own point of view.

And in that process you rob him of daily interaction with his peers. You rob him of multiple points of view, making him narrow minded. His first crush? When will that be now? The excitement and nervousness of his first day of school? Gone. Playing sports with your peers during recess and lunch? Gone. The fun of our first flirt, sending notes in class, crushing on some girl....all of that is gone.

So YOU can stay in control.

Like i said, yeah i agree that it can be done right. I just don't believe that most are because it's a tremendous amount of work and money. Instead, that kid will probably spend most of his time lazily completing work from some online instructor while mommy tries to hold onto as much control as she can. Hey, some people really believe in heavy handed indoctrination, i don't.

I'd rather my kid learn through experience. Learn through the good times, the bad times, the good people and the bad ones. The good grades and the bad grades, the ups and downs, the weird people and the people you think are cool. The left the right, christian, jewish, muslim, gay, straight, nerdy, athletic. Learn about all of it. Soak it all in and become your own person.

MY job is to give you the tools to properly understand and live in the world around you. It's to instill comprehension so you're not fooled by a world that lies, it's to instill the tools to allow you to be emotionally stable so you can make proper decisions in critical situations, and it's to instill a strong work ethic so you can continue developing strong work attributes and not be a lazy bum. And of course to instill basic manners and moral compass. Essentially, my job is to prepare you for the society you live in.

Bah, sorry. Rant over. I have a relative who home schools and this child is obviously developmentally behind in some areas that i've formed a lot of strong opinions on the subject.
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fan4ever 11:15 AM 02-12-2020
Originally Posted by GloryDayz:
Did you ever get suspended?
I stayed out of trouble...being the hall monitor as well...
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GloryDayz 11:16 AM 02-12-2020
Originally Posted by BucEyedPea:
That would be you. I know you worship gub'ment schools--especially for socialization Spartan-style. I bet your kids socialization has turned out as angry and nasty as you. :-)
I'm a product of private schools, doesn't that automagically make me a happy person?

Wait, I coach hockey and my kid was my goalie, that makes us sweet..
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F150 11:18 AM 02-12-2020
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
And the Home school advocates will argue that you can do all of these fun events and have all of these environments you can expose your child to. And there's so many more ways a child can learn outside of a classroom environment.

And yeah, they're right. But what they don't tell you is, is that just because you can doesn't mean you do. Nor does the few times you take the kid out to a museum make up for the lack of social interaction.

Those difficult conversations with your peers, the awkward ones, the angry ones, the fun ones and stressful ones....they all build character and those challenges and feelings when dealing with each one is essentially practice for adult hood. You're trading that in for an environment in which the parent is in complete control of everything, often with the intent to shield the child from challenges.

I like the idea of home schooling if it's done by the right parents with the right intent. And i just don't think all of these home schooling parents are doing their kids any favors.

It seems to me that Home schooling is much more about indoctrination and control than actually enriching a child mentally, physically and emotionally. It's about making the child think like you because you think you know everything, rather than the child learning everything he can and letting him for his own point of view.

And in that process you rob him of daily interaction with his peers. You rob him of multiple points of view, making him narrow minded. His first crush? When will that be now? The excitement and nervousness of his first day of school? Gone. Playing sports with your peers during recess and lunch? Gone. The fun of our first flirt, sending notes in class, crushing on some girl....all of that is gone.

So YOU can stay in control.

Like i said, yeah i agree that it can be done right. I just don't believe that most are because it's a tremendous amount of work and money. Instead, that kid will probably spend most of his time lazily completing work from some online instructor while mommy tries to hold onto as much she control as she can. Hey, some people really believe in heavy handed indoctrination, i don't.

I'd rather my kid learn through experience. Learn through the good times, the bad times, the good people and the bad ones. The good grades and the bad grades, the ups and downs, the weird people and the people you think are cool. The left the right, christian, jewish, muslim, gay, straight, nerdy, athletic. Learn about all of it. Soak it all in and become your own person.

MY job is to give you the tools to properly understand and live in the world around you. It's to instill comprehension so you're not fooled by a world that lies, it's to instill the tools to allow you to be emotionally stable so you can make proper decisions in critical situations, and it's to instill a strong work ethic so you can continue developing strong work attributes and not be a lazy bum. And of course to instill basic manners and moral compass. Essentially, my job is to prepare you for the society you live in.

Bah, sorry. Rant over. I have a relative who home schools and this child is obviously developmentally behind in some areas that i've formed a lot of strong opinions on the subject.

Yes indeed.

These are difficult times. Kids desperately need mom and dads help support and guidance.

But not exclusively.

Home school is no worse or better than public schools if parents dot get involved in real discussions with their kids...ask questions challenge what they get at school if off base.

Starts with reading to a toddler way before they can talk

Nice post!
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Detoxing 11:20 AM 02-12-2020
Character is like a muscle. You challenge it, it grows. You continously challenge it, day in and day out. Every single interaction is practice. Like lifting a weight. Every single day in a Public/Private school your child is getting practice.

Practice getting along with friends. Dealing with peers who aren't your friends. Working with peers to complete a project that maybe you don't want to work with. Interacting with a girl you think is cute. Interacting with adults, or positions of authority, that aren't your parents.

Every one of those interactions is a challenge that you just keep getting better at. Keep growing that muscle.

Being in a constant environment that is controlled by mommy, where you are either shielded from challenges, or void of, is not how growth is made.
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BIG_DADDY 11:22 AM 02-12-2020
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
And the Home school advocates will argue that you can do all of these fun events and have all of these environments you can expose your child to. And there's so many more ways a child can learn outside of a classroom environment.

And yeah, they're right. But what they don't tell you is, is that just because you can doesn't mean you do. Nor does the few times you take the kid out to a museum make up for the lack of social interaction.

Those difficult conversations with your peers, the awkward ones, the angry ones, the fun ones and stressful ones....they all build character and those challenges and feelings when dealing with each one is essentially practice for adult hood. You're trading that in for an environment in which the parent is in complete control of everything, often with the intent to shield the child from challenges.

I like the idea of home schooling if it's done by the right parents with the right intent. And i just don't think all of these home schooling parents are doing their kids any favors.

It seems to me that Home schooling is much more about indoctrination and control than actually enriching a child mentally, physically and emotionally. It's about making the child think like you because you think you know everything, rather than the child learning everything he can and letting him for his own point of view.

And in that process you rob him of daily interaction with his peers. You rob him of multiple points of view, making him narrow minded. His first crush? When will that be now? The excitement and nervousness of his first day of school? Gone. Playing sports with your peers during recess and lunch? Gone. The fun of our first flirt, sending notes in class, crushing on some girl....all of that is gone.

So YOU can stay in control.

Like i said, yeah i agree that it can be done right. I just don't believe that most are because it's a tremendous amount of work and money. Instead, that kid will probably spend most of his time lazily completing work from some online instructor while mommy tries to hold onto as much she control as she can. Hey, some people really believe in heavy handed indoctrination, i don't.

I'd rather my kid learn through experience. Learn through the good times, the bad times, the good people and the bad ones. The good grades and the bad grades, the ups and downs, the weird people and the people you think are cool. The left the right, christian, jewish, muslim, gay, straight, nerdy, athletic. Learn about all of it. Soak it all in and become your own person.

MY job is to give you the tools to properly understand and live in the world around you. It's to instill comprehension so you're not fooled by a world that lies, it's to instill the tools to allow you to be emotionally stable so you can make proper decisions in critical situations, and it's to instill a strong work ethic so you can continue developing strong work attributes and not be a lazy bum. And of course to instill basic manners and moral compass. Essentially, my job is to prepare you for the society you live in.

Bah, sorry. Rant over. I have a relative who home schools and this child is obviously developmentally behind in some areas that i've formed a lot of strong opinions on the subject.
You make a lot of good points but the indoctrination you speak of is what the public school system is. Find a good private school is the first choice. High end online like Stanford would be 2nd.
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BucEyedPea 11:24 AM 02-12-2020
To be honest with you RunKC, I think the rural schools aren't as bad off as even well-off richer suburban schools yet. Believe it or not some of those wealthy school districts are worse. My sister lived in one, was a hand-on parent helped at the school as a stay-at-home mom because she was married to a wealthy husband. She used the gub'ment school's recommended tutors when her kids were failing at reading up to age ten with no improvement.

When she complained in despair I told her that the methods had changed for teaching reading and too many kids were being mis-labeled as "learning disabled" which I told her was nonsense. It's the schools, how teachers are trained than in the past and their methods. That was during the Whole Language experiment debacle. Finally, she had to shell out $25k per child for several years to get them repaired and their reading ability turned around completely. She conceded that the difference was the methods.
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