Nolan and Zack Snyder, definitely an interesting team. There are already rumors now that Zod is going to be the villain.
I have to say I'm excited that it "appears" they aren't going to go totally out of left field and do something stupid and out of character for Superman. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Jamie:
I haven't really seen her in anything so I don't know if she could pull it off, but I think Alexandra Daddario looks right. She might have to put on a little muscle, but she's tall enough and can fill out the costume.
Holy shit! Bath her and bring her to me. POST HASTE! [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
Stopped reading right there.
I was pointing that out since you seem to think it's completely ridiculous for Superman to take out a fight out of the city. It's something he does all the time. It also makes more sense than what happened in the film, but if you want to be dismissive and willfully ignorant, don't let me stop you. [Reply]
You don't think killing Zod showed his affection for humanity? Especially since Zod was trying to kill people and basically said he would never stop trying to kill them? He obviously didn't want to do that and it tore him up inside afterwards knowing he killed the last of his kind.
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I agree with you that they were attempting to show his affection for humanity, but it was at the end of the movie and it was really the first I had heard of it. They wanted to make it seem that killing Zod was some huge painful deal for him, but they neither set up his unwillingness to kill or his love for humans. It was a clumsy attempt to shove that in at the last second.
I agree with you that they were attempting to show his affection for humanity, but it was at the end of the movie and it was really the first I had heard of it. They wanted to make it seem that killing Zod was some huge painful deal for him, but they neither set up his unwillingness to kill or his love for humans. It was a clumsy attempt to shove that in at the last second.
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I thought that was a bit lame as well. No reason for him to have remorse over that.
They set up his love for humanity right from the beginning of the movie. The first real major scene we see with Clark on Earth is saving the people on the rig. Every "job" he has, he ends up helping someone who needs help. Literally the entire film up until the final fight shows him embracing humanity in his travels and the flashback scenes.
They set up his love for humanity right from the beginning of the movie. The first real major scene we see with Clark on Earth is saving the people on the rig. Every "job" he has, he ends up helping someone who needs help. Literally the entire film up until the final fight shows him embracing humanity in his travels and the flashback scenes.
They set up his love for humanity right from the beginning of the movie. The first real major scene we see with Clark on Earth is saving the people on the rig. Every "job" he has, he ends up helping someone who needs help. Literally the entire film up until the final fight shows him embracing humanity in his travels and the flashback scenes.
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That is a good point. I don't know. I guess what I'm getting at is I felt like they were trying to make Zod's death some sort of cathartic moment where he chooses humans over the last other Kryptonian and that moment wasn't supported by the film. Yes he saved a few people, but he had little connection to any people in the film. His relationship with Lois was purely professional until their out of nowhere first kiss. His relationship with his parents was there, but it suffered from cheesy and cliche dialogue. I also felt it suffered from the flashback storytelling. Never really getting a chance to know them as a family. Their scenes together seemed very utilitarian and therefore emotionally hollow. That made it harder to empathize with his internal struggle at the end.
I think the haters need to go see it again. This time, judge it on its own merits rather than hating the fact that it didn't conform to your preconceived ideas about what it should be.
This isn't Smallville. This isn't the Superman from the comics of the Golden Age, the Silver Age, or the John Byrne era. This is a new interpretation of the character that's intended to appeal to the movie-going audiences of 2013, not the old farts that think George Reeves is the perfect Superman and Noelle Neil is the perfect Lois Lane.
The first time I saw Starship Troopers I hated that fucking movie because it was NOTHING like the book by Robert Heinlein. Then I watched it a second time, threw away my preconceptions, and found that I actually liked it.
Guys like Kirsoze-whatever need to do the same. [Reply]
I also felt it suffered from the flashback storytelling. Never really getting a chance to know them as a family. Their scenes together seemed very utilitarian and therefore emotionally hollow. That made it harder to empathize with his internal struggle at the end.
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. You might be right. I would have liked to see more of Costner. He was really good. But like TK said, it was all there from the beginning. He saved the kids on the bus, the oil rig guys, he saved a couple of soldiers in the Smallville fight. Sorry you missed it.
One of the biggest themes for me was this: when Zod shows up he has a decision to make. Does he continue to run and hide.......or does he come out from hiding, stand up and defend humanity? [Reply]
. You might be right. I would have liked to see more of Costner. He was really good. But like TK said, it was all there from the beginning. He saved the kids on the bus, the oil rig guys, he saved a couple of soldiers in the Smallville fight. Sorry you missed it.
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I acknowledged his point. I didn't miss anything. I'm saying that despite him doing objectively good things for people and saving them. I never got to see who he really was. I don't know his motivations for saving people because his motivations were muddy and underdeveloped. I suppose you can make the assumption that it was due to a deep love for humanity, but who's to say? The screenplay and direction left us with a cardboard cut out of Superman.
JFC guys. Why can nobody just enjoy a movie anymore. It was well done and different take on Superman. Batman Begins was a big departure from everything we had ever known on the character as well. Quit picking the damn film apart and just enjoy it. [Reply]
One of the biggest themes for me was this: when Zod shows up he has a decision to make. Does he continue to run and hide.......or does he come out from hiding, stand up and defend humanity?
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I agree that is the primary theme of the film. Not a bad one for a Superman movie. Unfortunately I just didn't think the filmmakers supported the theme with a decent script.
That's the last I'll say on it unless I actually have something new to add to the discussion since I don't want to just keep shitting on a film many on here seem to like. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Guru:
JFC guys. Why can nobody just enjoy a movie anymore. It was well done and different take on Superman. Batman Begins was a big departure from everything we had ever known on the character as well. Quit picking the damn film apart and just enjoy it.
One last one (sorry).
I'm picking it apart to explain the reasons I couldn't enjoy it. That's all. [Reply]
