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chiefforlife 09:13 PM 03-11-2019
Tyrann Mathieu’s arrival likely means Eric Berry’s exit
Posted by Mike Florio on March 11, 2019, 11:09 PM EDT
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The Chiefs will be paying $14 million per year over three years to safety Tyrann Mathieu. They also are paying $13 million per year to safety Eric Berry. For now.

The arrival of Mathieu likely means that Berry will be gone, a development that wouldn’t surprise many due to the injuries that have plagued Berry over the past two years. Berry has played in only three games since rupturing an Achilles tendon in Week One of the 2017 season.

Already owed $2.95 million in guaranteed money for 2019, another $7.25 million of Berry’s base salary becomes fully guaranteed on March 15. Which means that, if the Chiefs will be pulling the plug on Berry’s deal, they need to do it sooner than later.

Cutting Berry without a post-June 1 designation would trigger a $14.95 million cap charge for 2019. Of that amount $8 million could be pushed to 2020 by using the post-June 1 designation.

Keeping Berry would result in a cap charge of $16.5 million, and a cash expenditure of $12.5 million. Which makes it very difficult to justify keeping him on the roster, especially with so much invested in Mathieu.
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loochy 06:59 AM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by Red Dawg:
Over the cap says different. We save like half cutting in June.
J F C for the millionth time, they can cut him now and designate it as a June cut
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Simply Red 07:00 AM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by loochy:
J F C for the millionth time, they can cut him now and designate it as a June cut
He's a little slow.
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loochy 07:01 AM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by Red Dawg:
Keeping Berry would be a mistake. He won't have surgery, probably afraid to do any more to his Achilles and miss another year. His foot isn't any better. He sat the whole season and it didn't heal and won't heal without another procedure
His status hasn't changed, day to day and will play if he feels like it. That's bullshit, save what you can and move on. Its time.
FINALLY Red Dawg makes a sensible post
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Red Dawg 07:17 AM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by loochy:
FINALLY Red Dawg makes a sensible post
Thank you thank you, I'll be here all day.
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Red Dawg 07:19 AM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by loochy:
J F C for the millionth time, they can cut him now and designate it as a June cut
I know that. There has been plenty that think otherwise. Radio and all over think we can't save but like 1.5 and it's not true.
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loochy 07:19 AM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by Red Dawg:
Thank you thank you, I'll be here all day.
and hopefully Berry won't
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loochy 07:19 AM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by Red Dawg:
I know that. There has been plenty that think otherwise. Radio and all over think we can't save but like 1.5 and it's not true.
OK, sorry, I misunderstood what you read.
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FringeNC 07:22 AM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by Sure-Oz:
@HisDirknesS: So @Jacobs71 cleared it up for me. If the #Chiefs are releasing Eric Berry it will happen in the next 3 days. After that, there's virtually no cap savings.
Thing is, under this scenario, Berry cost himself a LOT of money NOT getting surgery. I have no idea what's really going on with Berry and the Chiefs.
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Lzen 07:27 AM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by loochy:
J F C for the millionth time, they can cut him now and designate it as a June cut
I didn't realize that you could do that. How does that work?
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loochy 07:30 AM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by Lzen:
I didn't realize that you could do that. How does that work?
https://overthecap.com/explaining-the-june-1st-designation/

Originally Posted by :
What we are talking about here deals strictly with the acceleration of prorated bonus money onto the current years salary cap. The NFL essentially breaks up its salary cap accounting for bonuses into two periods with June 1 being the trigger date. When a player is removed from a players roster prior to June 1st all his remaining unamortized bonus money immediately accelerates onto the salary cap. To illustrate this we see how the Kansas City Chiefs gave Steve Breaston a $5 million dollar signing bonus in 2011, which was accounted as $1 million in yearly expenses over the course of his 5 year contract. When he was released just the other day he had only completed 2 years of his 5 year contract meaning the Chiefs salary cap had only accounted for $2 million of the $5 million paid in 2011. The balance of $3 million dollars immediately accelerates onto the Chiefs 2013 salary cap.

After June 1 the NFL changes the way the acceleration works. After June 1st only the current years expense remains on the books after the player is released. The balance accelerates onto the following years salary cap. So in Breastons case had the Chiefs waited until June 1st to release him his salary cap charge in 2013 would have been $1 million and in 2014 he still would be on the books at $2 million dollars.

This rule is really another way in which the league holds tremendous power over the players. In some cases the acceleration of bonus money could throw a teams salary cap into chaos, if higher than the players current cap charge as an active player. Since teams need to remain under the cap at all times once the League Year begins the potential of the acceleration onto the current years cap would prevent a players release and allow them to continue earning their salary for the year. Instead they are thrust into a pool of summertime free agents when most teams are strapped for cap space and have made many of the decisions about their roster.

I think where many people get confused, though, is when they hear that “player x” could be designated a June 1 cut and immediately jump to conclusions that it means a spending spree in March. The league allows each team to designate up to two players per year as a June 1 cut for cap purposes prior to June 1. It’s the one concession that was given to the players as it allows a player to be cut in March and have time to explore free agency but have his cap hit spread out over two seasons, thus creating more cap space in the current year. The issue though is the mechanism by which this works.

When you designate someone as a June 1 cut the player and his current contract remain on the books until June 1. Going back to the Breaston example has he been designated a June 1 cut his cap charge today would not be $1 million with $2 million on the books in 2014. His cap charge would be $5 million dollars, the same cap charge as if they never cut him at all. When June 1st hits his cap then moves down to $1 million and the other $2 million accelerate into the 2014 season. By that point in time free agency is finished and the extra cap room does not do the team much good. They would have been in a far better cap position during the important time of free agency by releasing Breaston outright as the Chiefs did.

The real purpose of the June 1 designation option is to benefit teams that have poor salary cap situations and need to either create space for rookie signings over the summer months or to cut players from the roster whose dead money charges are greater than their charge to remain on the team. In recent years this would be teams like the Dallas Cowboys and Oakland Raiders who have entered into some overpriced contracts for multiple players leaving them tight against the cap every season. The acceleration from one of these underperforming players would put the team over the cap or close enough to it to make it difficult to sign the draft class. Often waiting until June 1 is not an option because of offseason bonus money that would be due to the player if he is on the roster so the only option is to designate him a June 1 cut. So the rule gives the team the ability to avoid paying the player a bloated salary while also avoiding more cap problems. But by no means is it going to be a way to spend more money in the early stages of free agency and it does nothing to improve a teams cap position in March.

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Red Dawg 07:43 AM 03-12-2019
Can we not save 9 mil making him a post June 1 cut? Or is that wrong?
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Monty 07:45 AM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by Red Dawg:
OiCan we not save 9 mil making him a post June 1 cut? Or is that wrong?
That was what I understood and exactly what the Chiefs should do. EB is dead to me. Time to move on. Sad, but it is what it is.
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htismaqe 07:53 AM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by Red Dawg:
Can we not save 9 mil making him a post June 1 cut? Or is that wrong?
If the cut him pre-June 1, they save 1.5M. If they cut him post-June 1, they save 6.95M.
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OKchiefs 08:12 AM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
If the cut him pre-June 1, they save 1.5M. If they cut him post-June 1, they save 6.95M.
But they can cut him before June 1st and designate him a post-June 1st release.
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TEX 08:13 AM 03-12-2019
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
If the cut him pre-June 1, they save 1.5M. If they cut him post-June 1, they save 6.95M.
Yes. But I believe how it works is they can cut him prior to June 1, and designate him a June 1 cut. Then after June 1 they realize the $6.95M savings on the books. Is this correct?
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