Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs:
The mere fact that Goff is already standing tall in pockets full of defenders and delivering strikes downfield puts him miles ahead of Alex "shit-my-pants-and-run-when-defender-breaches-peripheral-vision" Smith.
Sorry C.E. The guy doesn't throw a very good ball - overthrows a lot, has happy feet and doesn't have very good pocket awareness.
Originally Posted by Saccopoo:
Go watch Smith's college reels. Dude was absolutely balls. He was a substantially better QB at the same stage.
I understand that everyone wants John Elway and thinks that if they pick one in the first round that virtually ensures that you are going to get him. However, that's not the case and you know it.
And I have no problem taking a QB in the first. Look at my current draft. In fact, I think that they have the potential to snag a decent one this year if they decide to go that route. (Really depends on Murray, his development and what they see in him from a future perspectve.)
Goff will be a better NFL QB because he actually has to make reads and learn how to play at the next level. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Saccopoo:
Sorry C.E. The guy doesn't throw a very good ball - overthrows a lot, has happy feet and doesn't have very good pocket awareness.
Not really impressed by him at all.
That is incorrect. He has great pocket awareness. [Reply]
Originally Posted by jonzie04:
That is incorrect. He has great pocket awareness.
If there is one thing I've learned in the 8 years that sac has been here, there's only one moron that articulates his moronacy at the same level on this site. [Reply]
Originally Posted by milkman:
If there is one thing I've learned in the 8 years that sac has been here, there's only one moron that articulates his moronacy at the same level on this site.
Originally Posted by jonzie04:
That is incorrect. He has great pocket awareness.
I don't see it. Reminds me a lot of Sanchez at the same level.
Seems to have decent enough feel and athleticism, but looks like he is just getting by on this level on that versus having truly elite level skill-set. He doesn't throw a good enough ball - it's loose from a spiral perspective, it's a little "lofty" without the velocity and it doesn't drive downfield.
He's also antsy in the pocket with feet that dance versus setting and throwing through the ball with a complete motion.
I think he's been a little bit of a product of Dykes' system versus having a true "elite" skill set, much the same way that Sanchez was at USC. Very good college QB that I don't see easily transitioning to the next level due to some problems in his techniques and lack of arm strength.
He'll get a lot of "Chad Pennington" comparisons, but Pennington was a better QB at the same stage. Better arm, better technique. Goff is closer to what Sanchez was at similar points in their college careers. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams:
Sanchez was a ****ing deity "at that level".
Would trade Daniel and Murray straight the **** up.
Product of the system more than anything. Solid QB, but poor technique that never developed, never got better - basically because he didn't have to because of said system and quality of surrounding players.
Goff is in a similar situation with similar tools.
I'd have a hard time pulling the trigger on him even over a guy like Hackenberg, who seems to have completely hit the wall in terms of positional development, but who has a sick tool level for the position. Hackenberg needs a players coach in a good system to re-build his confidence and a decent NFL QB(s) to learn under for two or three years, but he's got much, much more upside than a guy like Goff.
Reid, Smith and Daniel teaching Hack for three years would offer up a much more salivating promise of positional superiority versus drafting an Average Joe like Goff and having him start sooner rather than later.
Originally Posted by Saccopoo:
Product of the system more than anything. Solid QB, but poor technique that never developed, never got better - basically because he didn't have to because of said system and quality of surrounding players.
Goff is in a similar situation with similar tools.
I'd have a hard time pulling the trigger on him even over a guy like Hackenberg, who seems to have completely hit the wall in terms of positional development, but who has a sick tool level for the position. Hackenberg needs a players coach in a good system to re-build his confidence and a decent NFL QB(s) to learn under for two or three years, but he's got much, much more upside than a guy like Goff.
Reid, Smith and Daniel teaching Hack for three years would offer up a much more salivating promise of positional superiority versus drafting an Average Joe like Goff and having him start sooner rather than later.
