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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>Duncan Idaho's Compendium of Comprehensive Offseason Plans
duncan_idaho 12:05 PM 01-03-2024
Offseason Plan: Version 5.0

Now with more Chris Jones, for sure, and an understanding of his contract. And Drue Tranquill on contract.

Cut
WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling
DE Charles Omenihu (last time, I said this stunk. Hearing him saying today that he thinks he should be paid like the guys in the tier right behind Nick Bosa makes it a pretty no-brainer. He clearly isn’t in a spot to do a small extension. So cut him loose.)

Extend
S Justin Reid (4/$49M – I stick to the restructure of Reid in this run. He’s just so solid and good and reliable, and the secondary still needs a veteran leader.)

Tag and Trade
CB L’Jarius Sneed (this time, I send him to the Vikings for #42 because that’s fun)

Trade
WR Kadarius Toney (2025 conditional 6th)

Let Walk
Mike Edwards
Derrick Nnadi
Willie Gay
Jerick McKinnon
Clyde Edwards-Helaire
Blake Bell
Richie James
Deon Bush
Tommy Townsend (we don’t need him any more, we have the Dolphin)
Jody Fortson
Prince Tega-Wanogho

Re-Sign
Tershawn Wharton (3 years, $9.5M – The DT room is thin even with Jones back, and watching the SB we really saw what I thought was Wharton’s best game. I like having a DT with that burst and speed, and he has clearly gotten much stronger, and he is athletic enough to run some DE snaps in a pinch)
James Winchester (minimal deal)
Malik Herring (ERFA tender)
Jack Cochrane (ERFA tender)
Nazeeh Johnson (ERFA tender)
Mike Caliendo (ERFA tender)

FA Moves
QB Trevor Siemian (1/$1.7M – veteran QB)
DE Yetur Gross-Matos (1/$1.6M – just seems like a good bet for KC as a Spags-type DE who is a Veach reclamation attempt special to boot)
OT Yosh Nijman (2/$12.3M – I just am not comfortable going into the draft with only Wanya Morris and a rookie at LT. Nijman provides a little veteran depth with some upside).

With these deals done, I’m still sitting on about $22M of cap space without restructuring Mahomes at all. I’ve added draft capital and addressed LT insurance/depth with a vet I think can be at least AVERAGE at LT.

I still dive back in at this point for WR Darnell Mooney at 1/$8M , with incentives up to $12M. That still leaves me about $15M in cap space, which I could use to sign draft picks and hunt for June 1 cuts/late FA bargains. I’m tempted to go get Teair Tartt in this cycle but hold off.

Getting into the season without touching Mahomes deal at ALL is going to really help with flexibility in 2025, when it’s going to be needed due to the Jones situation being added to the books.

Draft
Needs based on plan so far:
As before, we’re still looking at a pretty set roster that doesn’t have any glaring needs but needs to invest at DT, WR, and LT.

Simulator used: NFL Mock Draft Database (best aggregated big board at this point)

1.32: Kingsley Suamataia, LT, BYU. Suamataia needs seasoning, but his upside is high and he checks the size, arm length, and athleticism boxes to be a good long-term LT for the Chiefs.

2.42: Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan. This might be high
OK, this might be a bit of a reach. But Wilson is someone I haven’t mocked to KC before and I do think his speed, explosiveness, and ability to make cuts at top speed make him a good fit for KC’s offense. With Mooney only signed for one year, Wilson would be on hand with experience under his belt for 2025 and beyond for that role.

Also considered: Xavier Legette, WR, South Carolina. I probably would go here like I did in my last mock, but I wanted to switch it up.

2.64 Sedrick Van Pran, IOL, Georgia. Here’s a new one. I considered dipping for another WR here (hothead Jermain Burton!) but instead stick on the OL. The Jones decision is going to come with consequences on other players, and I may need to account for them. Van Pran can be a stud C or a good G. If Humphrey walks, you’re covered. If Smith walks, you’re covered. If they cut Thuney to keep Smith and Humphrey, you’re covered. If they need to move Humphrey off C because of Snaps, you’re covered.

3.95 McKinnley Jackson, DT, Texas A&M Big bulky dude to help replace Nnadi.

4.131 Brenden Rice, WR, USC. His 40 at the combine was a disappointment, but I still like his size and ability to work the scramble drill. Great bloodlines, great work ethic, and I think he’s faster than his 40.

5.158 Deantre Prince, CB, Ole Miss. I missed on the round 2 and round 3 CB values/fits. His size/speed/athletic profile tracks with the Day 3 gems the Chiefs have been finding. Let’s keep it rolling.

5.172 Isaac Guerendo, RB, Louisville. I am not first to the Guerendo train, but I’m on it. Size/speed combo is great. I doubt he actually makes it here, though.

7.250 Gabe Hall, DT, Baylor. I like Hall’s size and athletic ability. Seemed worthwhile for a Day 3 stab.

Wrapping it up

This will be my last offseason exercise. I’m pretty stoked about where KC lands in this, honestly.

Two-deep (Re-signed,FA adds, rookies)

(2) QB: Mahomes/Siemian
(3) RB: Pacheco/Guerendo/Prince
(6) WR: Rice, Mooney, Wilson/ Watson, Rice, Moore
(3) TE: Kelce/Gray/min contract vet

(2) OT: Nijman/Suamataia

(2) OG: Thuney/Morris
(1) C: Humphrey/Van Pran
(2) RG: Smith/Caliendo
(2) RT: Taylor/Morris

(6) DE: Karlaftis, Anudike-Uzomah, Gross-Matos, Harring, Thompsonsmall contract vet
(5) DT: Jones,Wharton,Farrell, Jackson ,Hall

(5) LB: Bolton, Tranquill, Chenal, Cochrane, Jones

(6) CB: McDuffie, Williams, Watson, Johnson, Jones, Prince
(4) S: Reid, Cook, Conner, inexpensive vet, probably Deon Bush

(1) LS: Winchester
(1) K: Butker
(1) P: The Dolphin

That leaves 1 spot floating if my count is right, probably goes to depth at OL or maybe another DB who is a special teams asset.

The defense still is built around Chris Jones and I know that DE room is going to make some people nervous. I’d be looking for some training camp cuts/late FA additions to beef that spot up some more. The LB corps is still a strong one (and still one of the better ones in the NFL, if not quite as versatile in base with Willie Gay presumably making a lot of money elsewhere), and the secondary is still a strength (probably a little stronger at S in 24 than it was in 23, with Reid, Conner, and Cook, but obviously turning things over at CB).

I’d feel good about the chances for a 3-peat with this one, and I think KC would be the preseason favorite in this run. Defense is still strong, offense got a bunch of help.

Looking ahead to 25, I haven’t addressed Bolton-Humphrey-Smith. In light of the Jones signing and structure, I don’t think they can keep 2 any more. Might just be one… and maybe neither of the OL.

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RunKC 12:13 PM 01-03-2024
Looks nice. I'd be good with that.

I'd love to add Isaiah Simmons to the LB room. Only 25, 1st rd pick and has all the athleticism Willie Gay has.
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duncan_idaho 12:14 PM 01-03-2024
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Looks nice. I'd be good with that.

I'd love to add Isaiah Simmons to the LB room. Only 25, 1st rd pick and has all the athleticism Willie Gay has.
That's a good call. He'd be interesting, for sure, to see what Spagnuolo can do with him.
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duncan_idaho 09:05 AM 01-04-2024
Made a major mistake in this run through, scrapping Justin Watson from my mind. Subbing him for Hardman.
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O.city 09:16 AM 01-04-2024
Brown has also missed games with injury every year.
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DJ's left nut 09:32 AM 01-04-2024
I really REALLY like Egbuka - been trying to build a little momentum around him for a month or so.

And if you were to sign Hollywood as a FA, you truly couldn't make a better pick than Egbuka. I mean maybe one of the bigger bodied guys might float some boats, but I just don't care that much about height. Mahomes isn't gonna YOLO balls for guys to go up and get very often.

And if he has Rice, Brown and Egbuka out there getting open, it'll simply never be necessary. Those are three extremely complementary guys with very specific strengths but at the same time they're not LIMITED to those areas of strength.

MVS, for instance, is (was) a genuine deep threat but ONLY a deep threat. JJSS was a solid underneath receiver but ONLY an underneath receiver. Rice is a dynamic underneath catch and run threat, Brown is a dynamic deep threat, Egbuka is a silky route-runner who will be outstanding at finding separation at his break all over the field. But ALL of them can do anything else on occasion you'd ask from them. All three of those guys can catch a ball underneath or deep or run a bubble screen.

That would be an awfully good group of weapons.

Didn't Lachey say he was returning to Iowa? And honestly, Iowa TEs have done so well of late that I feel like he'll get a boost into the late 2nd. LaPorta is gonna make him some money.

Tart's another guy I've been trying to get people to pay attention to - I think he'd be a real nice pickup. I'd love to see another complementary DL either on the 2nd day or in FA (even if it's a DE who moves Omenihu to the inside on a semi-permanent basis) but you seem to have used Gaines for that. I'm just not a Gaines guy. Wasn't last season, am not now. I don't see what some others see in him - he's a complete JAG who MIGHT provide a small upgrade on Nnadi but even that's not something I'm sure of.

Good effort, sir. I'll get to work on willing Egbuka into existence.
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O.city 09:37 AM 01-04-2024
I really like Egbuka....in that I think he could end up being the guy from this draft that goes in that Justin Jefferson slot and ends up being better than some of those that go in front of him.

I would rather have Odunze, but that's a pipe dream.
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duncan_idaho 11:08 AM 01-04-2024
Originally Posted by O.city:
Brown has also missed games with injury every year.
No, he played in 18/18 games in 2020. He misssed 3 games total in Baltimore. I think he's a mostly durable guy who the turf monster in Arizona beat down.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I really REALLY like Egbuka - been trying to build a little momentum around him for a month or so.

And if you were to sign Hollywood as a FA, you truly couldn't make a better pick than Egbuka. I mean maybe one of the bigger bodied guys might float some boats, but I just don't care that much about height. Mahomes isn't gonna YOLO balls for guys to go up and get very often.

And if he has Rice, Brown and Egbuka out there getting open, it'll simply never be necessary. Those are three extremely complementary guys with very specific strengths but at the same time they're not LIMITED to those areas of strength.

MVS, for instance, is (was) a genuine deep threat but ONLY a deep threat. JJSS was a solid underneath receiver but ONLY an underneath receiver. Rice is a dynamic underneath catch and run threat, Brown is a dynamic deep threat, Egbuka is a silky route-runner who will be outstanding at finding separation at his break all over the field. But ALL of them can do anything else on occasion you'd ask from them. All three of those guys can catch a ball underneath or deep or run a bubble screen.

That would be an awfully good group of weapons.

Didn't Lachey say he was returning to Iowa? And honestly, Iowa TEs have done so well of late that I feel like he'll get a boost into the late 2nd. LaPorta is gonna make him some money.

Tart's another guy I've been trying to get people to pay attention to - I think he'd be a real nice pickup. I'd love to see another complementary DL either on the 2nd day or in FA (even if it's a DE who moves Omenihu to the inside on a semi-permanent basis) but you seem to have used Gaines for that. I'm just not a Gaines guy. Wasn't last season, am not now. I don't see what some others see in him - he's a complete JAG who MIGHT provide a small upgrade on Nnadi but even that's not something I'm sure of.

Good effort, sir. I'll get to work on willing Egbuka into existence.
That's where I'm at re: the WRs. I hadn't seen that re: Lachey but will be sad if true. That's probably good. I should have been more disciplined and taken a DT there.

On Gaines, I'm just looking for a generally competent guy to slot in there. Not set on him. I do really like Tart, though, and think he could be the type of signing that really outplays his contract.

KC needs a move or 2 this offseason that pay off like Trey Hendrickson for the Bengals, to really get the inevitable nature of things back together.
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LoneWolf 11:24 AM 01-04-2024
The only thing I don't agree with is your comment that in your scenario you have no intention of signing Bolton to another contract when his rookie contract is up. I think KC needs to find a way to keep him long term. He's the QB of the defense and if they have to cut a guy like Reid after next year to create the room to afford Bolton, so be it.
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JPH83 11:28 AM 01-04-2024
I'm with DJ on Gaines. Options I'd like to explore at DT are:

Daquan Jones - been injured i think there's a discount there.
Maurice Hurst - Same, would look to pay minimum. He might only give you 300 snaps but it's at a near elite level. If he's rotational I'd swing.
Michael Pierce - Has had a great year, I think you can get him around $6-7m a year and he'd be well worth it.
Chris Wormley - Has he retired? I guess the theme is taking a risk on guys who've been injured. Probably I'd want someone like Pierce and then one of those riskier, cheaper options.

Egbuka I really like. But...I'd also really like a guy whose played more on the outside. Might not matter with Holywood and I'm not saying he CAN'T do it. But if he can he might go before our pick anyway.
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DJ's left nut 11:29 AM 01-04-2024
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
No, he played in 18/18 games in 2020. He misssed 3 games total in Baltimore. I think he's a mostly durable guy who the turf monster in Arizona beat down.



That's where I'm at re: the WRs. I hadn't seen that re: Lachey but will be sad if true. That's probably good. I should have been more disciplined and taken a DT there.

On Gaines, I'm just looking for a generally competent guy to slot in there. Not set on him. I do really like Tart, though, and think he could be the type of signing that really outplays his contract.

KC needs a move or 2 this offseason that pay off like Trey Hendrickson for the Bengals, to really get the inevitable nature of things back together.
I think I'm alone on the Gabe Davis bandwagon, but that's why I like him. I think he can outplay whatever deal he ends up signing. But I do see the concerns there in that he's not really an all-fields player. He's mostly a seam stretcher/deep guy. A younger and IMO, better, MVS. And frankly, a slightly better version of the 2022 MVS would be a god-sent for this offense. If that's ALL he is, it's still a hell of an add to the WR room.
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Mecca 11:35 AM 01-04-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I think I'm alone on the Gabe Davis bandwagon, but that's why I like him. I think he can outplay whatever deal he ends up signing. But I do see the concerns there in that he's not really an all-fields player. He's mostly a seam stretcher/deep guy. A younger and IMO, better, MVS. And frankly, a slightly better version of the 2022 MVS would be a god-sent for this offense. If that's ALL he is, it's still a hell of an add to the WR room.
Gabe Davis is 7 for 150 and 2 or 0 for 0 for 0, dude is weird as hell.
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duncan_idaho 12:08 PM 01-04-2024
Originally Posted by LoneWolf:
The only thing I don't agree with is your comment that in your scenario you have no intention of signing Bolton to another contract when his rookie contract is up. I think KC needs to find a way to keep him long term. He's the QB of the defense and if they have to cut a guy like Reid after next year to create the room to afford Bolton, so be it.
I love Nick and have for a long time. I'm a well-known Mizzou honk on here.

BUT... I still see a guy who is at best a "eh, he's OK" option as a pass defender. His instincts are next level and I think they play him up until he starts to decline physically.

But if he's fooled, or pulled out of position by his assignment, he just doesn't have the raw speed/range to recover quickly. And he's still pretty limited as a pass defender.

I just don't see how you can pay him big money on a long-term deal when that's the case.

Depends on what he's asking, but I assume it's going to be more than I'm comfortable with.

Originally Posted by JPH83:
I'm with DJ on Gaines. Options I'd like to explore at DT are:

Daquan Jones - been injured i think there's a discount there.
Maurice Hurst - Same, would look to pay minimum. He might only give you 300 snaps but it's at a near elite level. If he's rotational I'd swing.
Michael Pierce - Has had a great year, I think you can get him around $6-7m a year and he'd be well worth it.
Chris Wormley - Has he retired? I guess the theme is taking a risk on guys who've been injured. Probably I'd want someone like Pierce and then one of those riskier, cheaper options.

Egbuka I really like. But...I'd also really like a guy whose played more on the outside. Might not matter with Holywood and I'm not saying he CAN'T do it. But if he can he might go before our pick anyway.
I like those DT names just fine. And Egbuka is a 6-1/200 guy and comes from a program that has done a good job developing guys who can win inside and out.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I think I'm alone on the Gabe Davis bandwagon, but that's why I like him. I think he can outplay whatever deal he ends up signing. But I do see the concerns there in that he's not really an all-fields player. He's mostly a seam stretcher/deep guy. A younger and IMO, better, MVS. And frankly, a slightly better version of the 2022 MVS would be a god-sent for this offense. If that's ALL he is, it's still a hell of an add to the WR room.
Depends on the price, but I'm not super interested. He's a one-trick pony, and I want more versatility than that.
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RunKC 12:15 PM 01-04-2024
Yeah Egbuka looks nice. I think Adonai Mitchell looks good too.

Lot of options. Feels like we wouldn't have to trade up with this class assuming they call declare.

This will probably never happen bc Andy almost always drafts a lineman in the first or 2nd rd, but man getting Egbuka or Mitchell and then Cade Stover in rd 2 would be so awesome
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Couch-Potato 12:37 PM 01-04-2024
I also like Egbuka! But if we had Brown, a fast deep threat, and Rice, a scrappy over the middle type, I might consider going with a tall outside guy like Thomas Jr.
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