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Washington DC and The Holy Land>The Trump Family Post-Inauguration Prosecution Tracking Thread
banyon 04:42 PM 12-15-2020
Jurisdiction--- Category of Crime ------Likely Defendants----Current Status
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1. Federal (DOJ) - Obstruction of Justice-- Trump-- Pending review by new AG

(Mueller Probe which documented obstruction of its investigation, but held that DOJ memo stated that a stitting president couldn't be indicted)

2. Federal (DOJ)- Bribery of Foreign Officials- Trump, Giuliani—Pending Review by new AG

(Trump's solicitation of Ukrainian President Zelensky with military aid to announce investigation of his political opponent Biden)

3. Federal (DOJ)- Conspiracy to Defraud US/Interfere with Mail -- Trump, Dejoy- Pending Review by new AG

(Dejoy's documented efforts to sabotage US mail systems ahead of election with largest ever mail in vote)

4. Federal (DC District Court) -Misuse of 2016 Inauguration money- Ivanka Trump, Don Jr, Trump- Investigation Underway, Depositions taken

(Allegations that Inauguration proceeds went to benefit Trump family

5. Federal/State (NY-Manhattan) - Campaign Finance Violation/Tax Evasion- Trump, Cohen- Pending Review by New AG/In NY Grand Jury Proceedings Currently-*update 2/22/21 Trump Supreme Court appeal denied- subpoena appeals exhausted*

(Attempt to classify payoff to porn star ahead of 2016 election as "legal services" and deduction of amount from business profits)

6. State (NY- Manhattan)- Loan App Falsification- Trump, Cohen - Currently in NY Grand Jury Proceedings

(Misstatement of assets on numerous loan applications and tax forms in order to obtain loans and avoid taxes)

7. State (NY- Albany)- Fraudulent use of charitable deductions- Eric Trump, Ivanka, Trump- Currently under investigation by NY AG , Depositions taken

8. State (DC)- Insurrection/Inciting a Riot at the Capitol Building on January 6, 2021- Trump, Giuliani, Don Jr., under investigation by DC Atty Gen.

(Misuse of 7 Springs property/Taxation issues)

9. State (GA) - Solicitation to Commit Election Fraud- Donald Trump, Giuliani, under investigation by Fulton County DA

Did I miss any?

Will be updated as things progress.

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Hoopsdoc 07:56 PM 12-22-2020
Originally Posted by mkp785:
Irony. Since you guys have been whining about election nonsense for 2 months now. We'll see if he gets charged. He certainly is acting like someone who worried about it. There is no love for him in NY so the southern district will have the support of the people to pursue him. Whats your opinion on that btw? You think all of his financial issues are just noise I assume?
:-)

I’ve never been a Trumper and I’ve never uttered a word about the election, other than to say that Biden clearly won, which I predicted all along.
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banyon 09:31 PM 12-29-2020

WaPo: N.Y. prosecutor hires forensic accounting experts as Trump criminal probe escalates https://t.co/NkVGpJB2iL

— Geoff Bennett (@GeoffRBennett) December 30, 2020

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HonestChieffan 09:39 PM 12-29-2020
https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...red-man-gallup
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banyon 11:46 PM 12-29-2020
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan:
https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...red-man-gallup
Better hope some of those 18% make it on the jury I guess?
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patteeu 12:35 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by banyon:
This is more important than that.

This is about whether we are a nation of laws or men.

I would equally think (and have stated in the past) that if Hunter Biden violated the law, it should also be fully investigated/prosecuted.
If these are pursued, we may have trouble with peaceful transitions in the future and it will be well earned.
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patteeu 12:46 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by banyon:
Obama tried that. Got kicked in the balls every time he reached out to republicans for their thoughts on healthcare reform. Wasted like a year and a half doing that. Biden’s probably going to try that too. There’s no unifying. This thread and forum show it every day. Just hate for the other side, if you are on the far right that is. So rule of law is all we have left. Maybe if these people are shown for what they are, that can unify. I doubt it, but it’s worth a shot.
Two-tiered justice is neither unifying nor the “rule of law”. Get out of here with these attempts to wrap a fig leaf around raw partisan vengeance.
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Brody Wa 12:47 AM 12-30-2020
Is there any chance he’ll get sent to the Leavenworth Kansas federal penitentiary and if so, how many people from CP will make an attempt to visit him?
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patteeu 01:09 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by banyon:
Of course. The only reason they couldn't prosecute him was because of the DOJ memo (you can't indict a sitting president) that will no longer be effective Jan 20.
That and they don’t have a prosecutable case. At least not one that would be advanced absent political bias. Mueller had the opportunity to declare that he had such a case and he demurred with his lame excuse about a memo that offered guidance only against actual prosecution. The House had the opportunity to impeach on these grounds as well but chose not to. And here you are pretending that there’s a case to be had.
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Pogue 02:05 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by patteeu:
If these are pursued, we may have trouble with peaceful transitions in the future and it will be well earned.
Let them pursue it, in fact I welcome it. Sets the precedent for former Presidents.
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lostcause 03:25 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by patteeu:
Two-tiered justice is neither unifying nor the “rule of law”. Get out of here with these attempts to wrap a fig leaf around raw partisan vengeance.
Yeah, but wouldn’t it be fun if trump languished in prison for the rest of his life for crimes he committed?
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Pogue 03:29 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by lostcause:
Yeah, but wouldn’t it be fun if trump languished in prison for the rest of his life for crimes he committed?
Not as fun as Bush and Obama.
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lostcause 03:37 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by Pogue:
Not as fun as Bush and Obama.
Was Obama indicted for crimes post presidency?
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banyon 11:02 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by patteeu:
If these are pursued, we may have trouble with peaceful transitions in the future and it will be well earned.
Hogwash. The greater danger is allowing a person with power to be above the law.

We already have this transition being openly refused at the Pentagon level.
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banyon 11:10 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by patteeu:
That and they don’t have a prosecutable case. At least not one that would be advanced absent political bias. Mueller had the opportunity to declare that he had such a case and he demurred with his lame excuse about a memo that offered guidance only against actual prosecution. The House had the opportunity to impeach on these grounds as well but chose not to. And here you are pretending that there’s a case to be had.
There were 10 instances which Mueller outlined which he felt fit the elements of obstruction.

Do you take issue with any/all of those examples? If so, what elements are missing?
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Bowser 11:12 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by banyon:
Hogwash. The greater danger is allowing a person with power to be above the law.

We already have this transition being openly refused at the Pentagon level.
Well isn't that because some false info that was given to the Biden team as a test ended up in Chinese military chatter that was intercepted by our intelligence agencies? But by all means, tell us more about your thoughts on "allowing a person with power to be above the law".
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