Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by notorious:
The leadership in our school is outstanding. They will call the kid and parents when work doesn't get turned in.
The local cell and internet provider stepped up to the plate and installed free internet in every kid's house that doesn't have it for FREE.
Gotta love small communities that have their shit together.
In contrast, the large cities around us have a very good plan installed, but the students and parents aren't stepping up the plate. It's just a huge contrast in culture and accountability.
I've talked about this.......she's 16, she's a terrible student and doesn't give a fuck about it, at that age there is only so much I can do. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
I've talked about this.......she's 16, she's a terrible student and doesn't give a fuck about it, at that age there is only so much I can do.
Same deal here. 3 kids doing their work, 1 lying through her teeth about having it all done.
So far the teachers have been really good about staying in touch. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
I've talked about this.......she's 16, she's a terrible student and doesn't give a **** about it, at that age there is only so much I can do.
Originally Posted by Mecca:
If you don't think kids spread shit like crazy, I dunno where you've been.
First off by fall there shouldn't be much risk of a large scale outbreak. Secondly kids to this point have been extremely mildly affected to compared to adults which makes transmission much more difficult. Not impossible but less likely.
You do have an issue with kids keeping their hands washed etc...but there are easily implemented mitigation techniques. That goes for school employees as well.
At some point you gotta move on. Talk about closing schools for another etc..is just absolutely ridiculous. Kids are much lower risk and adults who work with kids can take precautions. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
First off by fall there shouldn't be much risk of a large scale outbreak. Secondly kids to this point have been extremely mildly affected to compared to adults which makes transmission much more difficult. Not impossible but less likely.
You do have an issue with kids keeping their hands washed etc...but there are easily implemented mitigation techniques. That goes for school employees as well.
At some point you gotta move on. Talk about closing schools for another etc..is just absolutely ridiculous. Kids are much lower risk and adults who work with kids can take precautions.
The fear isn't that the kids get it, it's that they're vectors that can take it and spread it around once they get home. I would imagine there are studies being undertaken to see if that's the case or not with this one.
Fall semester is still a ways off so I don't think it's pertinent to be making any decisions on it at this point anyway. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
First off by fall there shouldn't be much risk of a large scale outbreak. Secondly kids to this point have been extremely mildly affected to compared to adults which makes transmission much more difficult. Not impossible but less likely.
You do have an issue with kids keeping their hands washed etc...but there are easily implemented mitigation techniques. That goes for school employees as well.
At some point you gotta move on. Talk about closing schools for another etc..is just absolutely ridiculous. Kids are much lower risk and adults who work with kids can take precautions.
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Are you seriously saying you haven't read where asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic people are less likely to spread the virus?
I actually haven't seen that. I was curious about it though, it would make sense. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
First off by fall there shouldn't be much risk of a large scale outbreak. Secondly kids to this point have been extremely mildly affected to compared to adults which makes transmission much more difficult. Not impossible but less likely.
You do have an issue with kids keeping their hands washed etc...but there are easily implemented mitigation techniques. That goes for school employees as well.
At some point you gotta move on. Talk about closing schools for another etc..is just absolutely ridiculous. Kids are much lower risk and adults who work with kids can take precautions.
It’s basically to protect adults at this point. My MIL is 65 and is going through chemo right now for breast cancer treatment. It sucks but she hasn’t seen her grandchildren for over a month except on FaceTime.
I feel bad but that’s the kind of safety we’re gonna have to have with these older folks until a vaccine is ready next year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Are you seriously saying you haven't read where asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic people are less likely to spread the virus?
Originally Posted by O.city:
I actually haven't seen that. I was curious about it though, it would make sense.
Yeah, I have not heard that one. Got some info? [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
The fear isn't that the kids get it, it's that they're vectors that can take it and spread it around once they get home. I would imagine there are studies being undertaken to see if that's the case or not with this one.
Fall semester is still a ways off so I don't think it's pertinent to be making any decisions on it at this point anyway.
I'm not saying school would even open back up just like normal, there would be precautions necessary like making the kids wash hands more often, probably social distancing them more etc...
We have a food plant operating right now with 700 employees, 24hrs a day 7 days a week so far with no issues. We are taking employee temps as they enter the building, we have staggered shift starts to have less people arriving at the same time etc...
There are ways to do things different without just throwing in the towel and saying nope, can't do it. There is middle ground between where we were and being at full stop, people need to start realizing this. [Reply]
My kids are doing pretty well with it. The 11 year old is on point with school but he always is. The 8 year old, who is the rebellious one is somewhat, well, rebellious. But he’s managing well enough.
Baring major turns for the worst, I don’t see them keeping schools shut in the fall. We’re blessed to be able to have my wife at home but millions of families are barely getting by with figuring out how to work and have eyes on the kids. The folks that are laid off will need to get back to work by the fall at the latest. Schools may look somewhat different, but they’ll be open. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
I'm not saying school would even open back up just like normal, there would be precautions necessary like making the kids wash hands more often, probably social distancing them more etc...
We have a food plant operating right now with 700 employees, 24hrs a day 7 days a week so far with no issues. We are taking employee temps as they enter the building, we have staggered shift starts to have less people arriving at the same time etc...
There are ways to do things different without just throwing in the towel and saying nope, can't do it. There is middle ground between where we were and being at full stop, people need to start realizing this.
"No issues" isn't actually all that convincing since it's likely you just haven't had anyone infected at all. "We had someone test positive but didn't otherwise see any community spread" would be compelling, though. [Reply]
