I was thinking about the edge position and what is out there in free agency. Mostly you have some pretty long-in-the-tooth guys that are really any "good."

So, if you want to add some juice I think you have to look at guys turning the corner like Miami did when they picked up Ogbah from us.

The guys that I have in that situation are:

ER Al-Quadin Muhammad (IND)
ER Kemoko Turay (IND)
ER Charles Harris (DET)
ER Dorance Armstrong Jr. (DAL)
ER Arden Key (SF)

So, I'd love to hear opinions on who and why.

Turay is most intriguing to me in terms of length and speed but he has been knicked up alot in his career to date.
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I don't know anything really about those specific guys but I think you're on the right track.

I'd put it more into 3 categories though:

1)guys about to turn the corner
2) guys that are long in the tooth but may have something left
3)draftees

If it's up to me, I'm letting Clark walk. Outrageously expensive, mediocre production.

I'd re-sign Ingram in a heartbeat. He's a category 2 guy, but clearly has some juice left.

You still need two guys to go with Danna, who's a rotational guy, and Kaindoh, who's an unknown but was always a project. Oh, and don't forget the kid from Georgia who was basically an injury red-shirt...I forget his name right now. But still, that's just a project too.

I'd love to have Ogbah back.

I think you probably need to go DE in round one, and there should be some real talent there where we pick.

And I'd personally look for another "long in the tooth" category 2 guy that's a high effort guy like Ingram to show the pups how it's done.

I don't think Nnadi is getting a big money deal; he's kind of just a rotational guy but at any rate, it seems that he and Saunders are interchangeable.

This is where having some extra 3rds should EB and Poles get jobs elsewhere, because an injection of some athleticism would go a long way inside.

Other than that, it's probably category #2 guys because you also desperately need upgrades to Sorensen/Niemann.

And if you let Mathieu go, that's 2/3 of your safety room.
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I don't think Nnadi and Saunders are interchangeable. Saunders is a waste.

I think Nnadi will be cheap to bring back, but I'd rather invest in bringing back Reed. Having that extra passrusher makes the DL that much better. Every passrusher on the DL is a force multiplier.
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I really like Derek Barnett.
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I think he's basically Nnadi, and they don't need two of that guy.
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Turay was looking like he was turning a corner right before he broke his leg vs. the Chiefs. I really liked him. Then last year he got hurt again and this year he stayed pretty healthy but just wasn't very good.

I think the injury may have really wrecked his ceiling.

I'd be intrigued by Key. He was the best pass rusher on that abysmal Raiders pass rush a couple years ago. While he could never finish a sack off, he generated pretty decent pressure. With no help it was just too easy for the QB to move away from him. I think he's probably a 6-8 sack/season guy with a decent complement (Jones) on the line with him.

I like Armstrong's age but I think he's just kind of a mauler. He's nothing that's going to really jump out.

I liked Rasheem Green a couple years back and he got some sacks this year. I'd kick the tires but he seems like another guy that plateaued and will likely disappoint.

Ogbah appears likely to hit FA again. Harris is a little undersized but might be useful in a rotation. We can be like the 8th team to be disappointed by Dante Fowler Jr?
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DE…
Unless Clark reduces his salary significantly, he gone.
Okafor is gone.

Over the cap has Ogbah’s avg annual valuation at $12.9mm. He’s had 9 sacks each of the last 2 years with the dolphins. IF they could get him for $10-11mm per, I’d take a shot.

Ingram is valued at $4mm per. That seems fair based on sack production. Pull that trigger.



Gotta spend a high pick (1st or 2nd) on the position in the draft.
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Pass rusher seems pretty similar to QB.

Go big or go home. Once you get out of the 1st round (and really, typically the top half of the first round) your odds of finding a difference maker plummet. And then from about the middle of round 2 through round 5, all those picks are little more than punchers chances.

Finding quality pass rushers is hard as hell. That's why it surprises me how many of these older veterans end up settling for 1-2 year deals.

I thought the Bengals got an awfully nice deal on Trey Hendrickson at what is effectively 3/$44 million last season. To get a double digit sack guy with speed and strength for less than $15 million/season is a pretty good grab.
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Completely whiffing on Speaks and KPass and letting Ogbah go was a real kick in the nuts for this defense.
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seemed like our DL in Denver was gassed...altitude?
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Eh - Kpassagnon wasn't a 'whiff' - just a fairly ordinary 2nd round pick.

Guys like Malik McDowell, Forrest Lamp, Quincy Wilson, Ryan Anderson, Demarcus Walker, Deshone Kizer, Obi Mlifonwu, on and on and on are more 'whiffs'. The 2nd round is about 2/3 guys who don't ever become meaningful difference makers every year.

My preference among available DL that year when we took KPass was Chris Wormley and he's effectively been the same player as K-Pass has (and he didn't really do anything for Baltimore; he's only been valuable in Pitt).

Tanoh was a solid rotational player who had a massive play for us in the SB. He was actually playing quite well for NOLA before getting hurt. He wasn't a bust, he was just not any sort difference maker.
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Kpass with Kamara on the board is always gonna be irritating.
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Oh for sure.

But if you're going to grade him in a vacuum, he wasn't a bust. He was just another pretty basic 2nd round pick.
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A guy I kinda like out of Carolina is a dude named Frankie Luvu.

He's undersized for a true End but could play a situational rusher role more of a Leo. He's aggressive as hell and racks up a fair amount of TFLs along with solid pass rush win numbers. He also got some attention for Special Teams in the All Pro voting.

He'll be a UFA this season and I'd imagine he'll be awfully cheap. As a core STs player and possible situational edge rusher that I think is capable of generating pressures and getting 6+ sacks with more playing time, I think he'd be an awfully nice, cost effective fit.

Give him a 2 year deal at around $5 million total and I think he'd FAR outplay it. Especially if you can get him 25+ defensive snaps/gm.
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