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Eleazar 09:58 PM 04-25-2019
If the Chiefs care about honor and decency, Tyreek Hill can’t be part of this team

BY VAHE GREGORIAN
April 25, 2019 10:31 PM,
Updated 20 minutes ago

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/sp...229705219.html


The instantly infamous audio clip of Tyreek Hill and Crystal Espinal that KCTV-5 aired on Thursday night stood for many things at once.

It was a lens onto a chilling side of Hill, whose response to being told their 3-year-old son is terrified of him was, “You need to be terrified of me, too, bitch.” It was an appalling glimpse at what several sources have told The Star is a toxic relationship.

And her disturbing reference to covering for him with authorities (“I rode for you,” as she put it) was a window into the sorts of obstacles to which Johnson County district attorney Steve Howe seemed to be alluding on Thursday. That’s when he said a crime had been committed when it came their son, who The Star reported had suffered a broken arm among other injuries, but suggested he couldn’t bring charges because the couple had conspired to stonewall a month-long investigation.

Perhaps most of all, the excerpt from a recording Espinal reportedly made while the couple was walking in the Dubai International Airport also was a moment of tangible clarity and, in fact, a favor to the Chiefs.

Unless they are morally bankrupt, it’s easy now.

If they care about what they stand for, if they care about the community, if they care about victims of abuse and their families who already had to be conflicted watching this previously convicted man cavort on the field, Hill can’t be part of this team.

It’s that simple: If they care about honor and decency, Hill can’t be part of this team.

Even after Howe’s extraordinary news conference, there was scant room for equivocation or rationalization about Hill unless they were bent on denial or creating smokescreens around the real issue.

Which they could well have been, given that Hill is their second-most dynamic offensive player behind Patrick Mahomes and arguably fundamental to their ambitions of playing in the Super Bowl for the first time in half a century.

Sure, the Chiefs are in business to compete, not be a pillar of virtue. Those worlds can collide, and it can be complicated. Or as reader Dan Curry eloquently put it in an email on Thursday: “We want them to be a beacon of honor, but they’re also a business where that beacon shines on winning from the thousands of fans who follow them.”

But the spotlight now is on what looms as a trend for this franchise, which cut running back Kareem Hunt last fall only after video surfaced of him knocking over and shoving a woman months before and emphasized it was for lying.

Earlier this week, the Chiefs traded for Seattle defensive end Frank Clark, who was involved in a domestic violence incident in 2014 that led to him being dismissed from the Michigan football team.

Sure, it’s hard to have a one-size-fits-all policy. And we can’t be so cynical that we don’t believe in second chances, can we?

Just the same, this is a franchise that should feel more duty-bound than most to be sensitive to domestic violence in the wake of the 2012 murder of Kasandra Perkins by linebacker Jovan Belcher, who then killed himself in the parking lot outside the Chiefs’ training facility.

When the Chiefs drafted Hill in 2016, a few months after he pleaded guilty to domestic assault and battery by strangulation of the then-pregnant Espinal, I touched base with Perkins’ mother, Becky Gonzalez.

“I heard the story: It’s disheartening to see another case of money over morals,” Becky Gonzalez, the grandmother to orphaned baby Zoey, said via text message. “They (the NFL) do whatever damage control is necessary at the time to appease (the) public but never take a stance.

“I hope they don’t end up regretting their decision.”

For a while, their decision looked good. While Hill was emerging as a human blur and one of the most exciting players anyone has ever seen, he also by all accounts was conducting himself with exemplary behavior.

When his three-year deferred sentence ended last August and Hill had completed all of his court-mandated requirements, Hill’s conviction in Payne County, Okla., was expunged. And it was heartening to hear what county assistant DA for domestic violence Debra Vincent said.

“Who’s to say that this wasn’t life-changing in how he looked at that part of his life?” she said in a phone interview at the time.

But Vincent also reminded me of the truth that was always lurking: She warned that the work he’d done to date was no guarantee of future behavior. Because his progress could only be measured over a lifetime, not a few years — just as concerned local domestic abuse experts warned when the Chiefs drafted Hill and trumpeted their vetting and urged us all to trust them.

And that’s the other favor this sad situation has done for the Chiefs. It stands as a statement that they need to change their attitude about this, not to mention their system.

When they said “trust us” and implied they knew better than the experts and said they had thoroughly vetted him and that they have their own in-house ways of working with these situations, they didn’t know what they didn’t know.

Now they need to own up to that and revisit how they do this part of the business, perhaps with a dose of transparency involved, lest they continue to go down this path and have reason to regret it again.

Vahe Gregorian has been a sports columnist for The Kansas City Star since 2013 after 25 years at the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. He has covered a wide spectrum of sports, including 10 Olympics. Vahe was an English major at the University of Pennsylvania and earned his master’s degree at Mizzou.
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petegz28 09:49 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
See... this is kinda what I have a problem with. In one breath, you say not to pass judgment or jump to conclusions and then in the next - truly without any real evidence - you state as a basis of fact that the GF is just as bad as Hill.



The fact is: he abused her. We know that. We don't know what precipitated it, but do we think there's anything that warrants choking out your pregnant girlfriend?



So, if you're saying with a straight face that we know she's as bad as he is, then you must be really making some horrible assumptions about what she did to Hill and to the kid in this situation.



How much do you know about her aside from that tape and that she teaches children for a living?







Mostly agree with this. The reality is people are judged in our society and painted with a brush all the time without a full set of facts. I'm sure many people have opinions on certain politics figures on both sides without knowing all or even most of the details. Do you reserve judgment until the matter finds a conclusion in a criminal court of law? No, because most situations don't end up there, and this may not either.
Dude she incriminated herself. That's not a judgement.

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Kman34 09:56 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
I’d root for Hitler if it meant winning the Super Bowl.

I don’t care anymore. Patriots gonna cheat? We’ll use pieces of shit as players. No honor in it, but whatever it fucking takes, I guess
:-)... it’s just football.. get a grip...
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Mulliganman 10:02 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by Chief Northman:
National media just crucifying Hill/Chiefs this morning.

Florio, Stephen A. Smith, Schefter.....
Of course. But, if he doesn’t get a lifetime ban they will likely be talking later in a positive light about his new chance with his new team.
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kcpasco 10:04 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by Kman34:
:-)... it’s just football.. get a grip...
If Hitler could will himself to TD’s, I could look past a little genocide.

Obvious /sarcasm for those that lack or hate dark humor.
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htismaqe 10:04 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by GloryDayz:
What's wrong with letting the NFL take the lead?
The only reason to let the NFL take the lead is to try and avoid what happened with Hunt.

Unfortunately, while waiting on the NFL might be the right FOOTBALL decision, that doesn't mean it's the right decision.

All of the moral arguments aside, it's a football distraction for the team right now, at a very critical time on the offseason. It needs to be resolved quickly and decisively. If the NFL can't do that, the Chiefs need to.
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Jerm 10:05 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by Chief Northman:
National media just crucifying Hill/Chiefs this morning.

Florio, Stephen A. Smith, Schefter.....
What did Schefter say?

He rarely gives his opinions on anything, interesting.
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Chris Meck 10:05 AM 04-26-2019
Maybe there should be a framework for these 'second chance' guys.

I think it's important not to blackball a kid because he made a mistake when he was 19 or something, I believe in second chances.

but the second chance shouldn't bear all the brunt of blame and the next team reaps the rewards.

Ultimately, a real piece of shit will probably be a problem there as well, but in the meantime that team looks smart and gets a major advantage.

Especially for violent offenders. Something like a 2 strikes and you're out rule or something.

I don't have a hard parameter, just thinking conceptually.
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BlackOp 10:06 AM 04-26-2019
Well...we all know now that Crystal doesn't love Tyreek and that the relationship is toxic. It's likely been this way since college. She's hot and manipulative and he's young and naive.

He needs to get the **** away from her and her family. I think his life will improve dramatically.

When the first police report was rejected...someone sent a copy to TMZ. After setting him up then sending the recording to KCTV5...its pretty obvious she was at least part of this.

She is pregnant with twins and sabotaged him to the news. Why would someone do this...my guess is Hill was going to split once he got paid. This has always been the underlying motive from the start. They had just cleared charges and were in the clear. Now he is forced to stick around as he has no job...for now.

Hopefully the Chiefs see this destructive cycle...and help to get him out of it. If they dont...another team will.

A horrible woman can destroy your life...and she knew his past was public chip to be played. The covert recording was her last ditch move....Black mailing him.

If someone burned like she just did...I would never be within 1000 feet of them again. I would have a 3rd party negotiate visitation with my children.
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kcpasco 04-26-2019, 10:07 AM
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Mulliganman 10:08 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
I could not agree with you more. The system is broken. But all solutions will involve discretion of either a single individual (Gooddell) or a panel because of the wide variety of situations: child abuse vs spousal abuse vs beating up a smaller guy at a club vs getting beaten up by a larger guy at a club vs video vs no video vs audio vs punching a man vs punching a woman vs 1st degree assault vs 2nd degree assault vs charges not pressed vs sexual assault vs manslaughter.

How do you institute a rules-based system with an unlimited amount of potential circumstances?

Anyway, it's not easy, but we all left the Hunt situation with an awful taste in our mouths and we're all petrified it happens again with Hill. I think he shouldn't play another down in the NFL both because of what he's done (2 MAJOR strikes if the evidence stacks up) and because I just really don't want to see him on another team catching TDs.
But, does it really have to be that complicated to enforce? Anything with any type of legal convictions or evidence of wrongdoing should count toward the policy and be an easy ban on second offenses even if it weren’t the same type of crime. Either the NFL is serious about protecting the brand or it’s not.
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Shields68 10:09 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by BlackOp:
Well...we all know now that Crystal doesn't love Tyreek and that the relationship is toxic. It's likely been this way since college.

He needs to get the **** away from her and her family. I think his life will improve dramatically.

When the first police report was rejected...someone sent a copy to TMZ. After setting him up then sending the recording to KCTV5...its pretty obvious she was at least part of this.

She is pregnant with twins and sabotaged him to the news. Why would someone do this...my guess is Hill was going to split once he got paid. This has always been the underlying motive from the start. They had just cleared charges and were in the clear. Now he is forced to stick around as he has no job...for now.

Hopefully the Chiefs see this destructive cycle...and help to get him out of it. If they dont...another team will.
You would think that even if he splits, the more he makes = more child support she gets. It seems from the tape she rode for Tyreke and worried about the money then the kids. Maybe she was looking for a bigger payday then just child support.
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Mulliganman 10:12 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
Maybe there should be a framework for these 'second chance' guys.

I think it's important not to blackball a kid because he made a mistake when he was 19 or something, I believe in second chances.

but the second chance shouldn't bear all the brunt of blame and the next team reaps the rewards.

Ultimately, a real piece of shit will probably be a problem there as well, but in the meantime that team looks smart and gets a major advantage.

Especially for violent offenders. Something like a 2 strikes and you're out rule or something.

I don't have a hard parameter, just thinking conceptually.
This is what I’ve been getting at. And I think there should be a price to pay for teams giving a second chance for those already in the league. For example: draft pick or picks forfeiture
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Shields68 10:13 AM 04-26-2019
Originally Posted by Mulliganman:
But, does it really have to be that complicated to enforce? Anything with any type of legal convictions or evidence of wrongdoing should count toward the policy and be an easy ban on second offenses even if it weren’t the same type of crime. Either the NFL is serious about protecting the brand or it’s not.
You also get into situations that a lot of what happening prior to that is essentially when these guys were teenagers etc. Discovering what actually happened back then or not. If they were poisonous to the brand it is covered in the draft.
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Chris Meck 10:14 AM 04-26-2019
Maybe a league policy in which if you have two violent offenses in college you're ineligible for the NFL.

If you have one, you can be drafted, but should a second violation occur, you're out. Lifetime ban.

None in college, but two in the NFL? you're out.

If all those millions and all that glory doesn't matter enough to you to keep your nose clean, then fuck off.

It's a privilege to be a part of something like the NFL, not a right. You can't sell this as family entertainment with community ties with woman batterers and child abusers in uniform.
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petegz28 10:16 AM 04-26-2019
If any of you know Soren Petro personally, please ask him how many times over the last few seasons he stated Tyreek never should have been on this team as he was talking about the Chiefs offense?
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Mulliganman 10:20 AM 04-26-2019
[QUOTE=Shields68;14232655]You also get into situations that a lot of what happening prior to that is essentially when these guys were teenagers etc. Discovering what actually happened back then or not. If they were poisonous to the brand it is covered in the draft.[/QUOTE

For me, I would think any offenses that would count towards a policy should be from college on since 18 is considered to be an adult.
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