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O.city 10:05 AM 03-29-2019
Have seen some stuff on twitter about him being the Chiefs pick at 29 if they stay there.

That doesn't seem ideal to me. Thoughts?
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BryanBusby 10:13 AM 03-29-2019
Doesn't seem likely, I would think....unless they just really hate Breeland Speaks.
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O.city 10:15 AM 03-29-2019
Originally Posted by BryanBusby:
Doesn't seem likely, I would think....unless they just really hate Breeland Speaks.
Was kind of what i was thinking. Seems to be a bit redundant as a SDE.

They need a war daddy at WDE, but sadly, those aren't easy to find.
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staylor26 10:23 AM 03-29-2019
By you’ve seen stuff do you mean rumors or just predictions?
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O.city 10:26 AM 03-29-2019
Originally Posted by staylor26:
By you’ve seen stuff do you mean rumors or just predictions?
The dude that had the Watkins stuff said "gun to my head right now, if they stay at 29 thats who they'd take" or something like that.
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Chris Meck 10:28 AM 03-29-2019
I really think you guys are hung up on LDE and RDE being really different types. I don't think that's necessarily so in Spag's mind.

Look at how Trey Flowers lined up with Daly as his position coach; flip-flopping one side to the other. Look at what Spagnuolo did with his '4 aces' lineup in New York.

DE's 260-ish plus and they go anywhere and everywhere on passing downs.

the idea is to create confusion in the blocking scheme and guys come free. The idea also is that the beef up front allows for smaller, faster linebackers to blitz and/or fly to the ball and better short/intermediate coverage for backs in the flat, slot areas, and short middle of the field.

Zach Allen would totally fit the concept. So does Omenihu. So does Ferrell. Sweat does not, for example.

They clearly didn't want Ford-who's a prototype 'LEO' and my guess is his lack of physicality in the run game.

They're going to make it impossible to run and force teams to try to beat Mahomes in a 'shoot out'.

Your RDE does not have to be a 'speed rush' guy. Even here in KC, in a 3-4, It was often Hali that was rushing weak-side and Houston strong-side.

The differences are even less with what I have seen of Spagnuolo and Daly's line play.

If they've got 4 DE's they like, they're all going to play a lot and they're going to move around.
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O.city 10:39 AM 03-29-2019
Sure, but the guys he had in New York weren't strong slow guys.

I think thats the route they want to go for sure, but you leave yourself open to some issues with it as well if you don't have the horses.
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BryanBusby 10:45 AM 03-29-2019
Ford really isn't a prototypical LEO and is more of just a pass-rushing specialist.

Spags isn't going to want a bunch of stiffs playing at DE.
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Chris Meck 11:08 AM 03-29-2019
Originally Posted by O.city:
Sure, but the guys he had in New York weren't strong slow guys.

I think thats the route they want to go for sure, but you leave yourself open to some issues with it as well if you don't have the horses.
Hali and Houston, for example, weren't speed rushers.

I don't know that I'd call them slow, but they weren't fast.

Ford is the only 'fast' guy we've had as a rusher unless you go all the way back to Derrick Thomas.

I just think a lot of folks are looking at things through a skewed lens.
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CoMoChief 11:14 AM 03-29-2019
Originally Posted by BryanBusby:
Doesn't seem likely, I would think....unless they just really hate Breeland Speaks.
God let's hope the Chiefs have come to their senses on this failed project.
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Chris Meck 11:15 AM 03-29-2019
Originally Posted by BryanBusby:
Ford really isn't a prototypical LEO and is more of just a pass-rushing specialist.

Spags isn't going to want a bunch of stiffs playing at DE.
Of course not.

That doesn't mean you have to have speed rush guys at DE end though.

Power guys are fine too, and if your emphasis is:

THOU SHALT NOT RUN THE BALL

Then power rush guys are fine. You can cross and stunt blitz A and B gaps and move guys around to create rush opportunities just like New England did against us and like the Giants did under Spagnuolo.

I think we've had a few years of scheme making guys look worse than their talent level. I also think we might get a few years of a scheme making guys look BETTER.
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Chris Meck 11:15 AM 03-29-2019
Originally Posted by CoMoChief:
God let's hope the Chiefs have come to their senses on this failed project.
facepalm
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CoMoChief 11:16 AM 03-29-2019
I would shit gold ingots if the Chiefs were able to somehow draft Clelin Ferrell.
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BryanBusby 11:19 AM 03-29-2019
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
Of course not.

That doesn't mean you have to have speed rush guys at DE end though.

Power guys are fine too, and if your emphasis is:

THOU SHALT NOT RUN THE BALL

Then power rush guys are fine. You can cross and stunt blitz A and B gaps and move guys around to create rush opportunities just like New England did against us and like the Giants did under Spagnuolo.

I think we've had a few years of scheme making guys look worse than their talent level. I also think we might get a few years of a scheme making guys look BETTER.
Well yeah, but you're not going to have the best success doing all that with a Speaks and Allen duo.
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CoMoChief 11:22 AM 03-29-2019
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
facepalm
Keep riding that Speaks train to Sadnessville.
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