The NFL competition committee has proposed a new rule that would penalize a player with a 15-yard penalty and grant the opposition an automatic first down for using the hip-drop tackle to bring a runner to the ground.
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
And yet last year was a great year for defenses. Including our own. Defenses will adapt. From a player safety standpoint of course rules will and should favor offense. Because they are way more vulnerable to game and season impacting injuries and as long as that advantage is huge then defenses have an advantage and incentive to play dirty.
No position is more crucial to good game play in any sport than qb. And defenseless WRs are easily one of the most vulnerable on the field. So yeah, anyone would take arena league with the best players than replacement league with backups. I’m pretty sure of that.
Might want to chill with your exaggerations because that statement you made is ridiculous in the 1990s and early 2000s players weren't getting hurt like you are suggesting...
Defenses did good last season I admit, but there were a lot of injuries to QBs so that may have played a part. But there are no dominant defenses anymore, just good ones.
JJ Watt and plenty of other players have made statements echoing what I am saying so lets try and be objective here and realize if the NFL continues in this direction, defenses will continue to get worse. There should be more of a balance with these rule changes, that's all I'm saying.
Originally Posted by oaklandhater:
Can't tackle high, can't tackle low, can't hit someone legally too hard, can't drive through a Qb to get them to the ground.
Game will be flag football soon.
Already is as far as I'm concerned it's ridiculous and you got chicks refereeing the game that never played. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
1) Take a better angle or
2) Slow the player down and wait for help.
I don't think anyone's arguing that this could result in a few extra yards. That's no different than essentially every safety-related change they've made to the game, and yet we're all still watching.
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
Might want to chill with your exaggerations because that statement you made is ridiculous in the 1990s and early 2000s players weren't getting hurt like you are suggesting...
Defenses did good last season I admit, but there were a lot of injuries to QBs so that may have played a part. But there are no dominant defenses anymore, just good ones.
JJ Watt and plenty of other players have made statements echoing what I am saying so lets try and be objective here and realize the NFL continues in this direction defense will continue to get worse. There should be more of a balance with these rule changes, that's all I'm saying.
Players are bigger and faster. A lot of the reason why dangerous hip drops are more common is because bigger guys are becoming better athletes. Concussion protocol is now enforced (and id hope people agree that’s a good thing) and that is going to be heavily skewed toward offense players. When it comes to contact it just goes without saying that offense players are going to be way more prone to injury. And big guys shouldn’t be punished just because they’re too big to take down.
Of course the players aren’t gonna like it. Neither side wants to soften the game. No player wants an independent doctor to dictate if they can play through a concussion or not. Players also don’t like targeting or roughing the passer calls. Too bad. Knocking players out of the game isn’t a strategy and players need to coach to find safer ways to tackle players.they won’t do it on their own so this forces their hand to figure something out.
I know you’re trying to hedge on defensive performance but last year was an outstanding year for defenses. And that includes the playoffs with healthy QBs. So the talk about the demise of defense is overblown. Defenses will adapt just as they have for all the roughing and targeting rules [Reply]
Look, I'd be fine with the rule IF NFL officiating was consistent, they didn't swing COUNTLESS results on bogus penalties, they didn't "target" certain guys that Collinsworth embarrassed the officials over, or if they called what they saw not what they WANTED to see....PERIOD [Reply]
I'm telling you right now we are going to see a huge increase in offenses targeting tight ends in the flats because this rule makes it EXTREMELY difficult for smaller DBs to get tight ends on the ground from any angle that is to the side or behind them. https://t.co/Sv7J5smDNE
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
Players are bigger and faster. A lot of the reason why dangerous hip drops are more common is because bigger guys are becoming better athletes. Concussion protocol is now enforced (and id hope people agree that’s a good thing) and that is going to be heavily skewed toward offense players. When it comes to contact it just goes without saying that offense players are going to be way more prone to injury. And big guys shouldn’t be punished just because they’re too big to take down.
Of course the players aren’t gonna like it. Neither side wants to soften the game. No player wants an independent doctor to dictate if they can play through a concussion or not. Players also don’t like targeting or roughing the passer calls. Too bad. Knocking players out of the game isn’t a strategy and players need to coach to find safer ways to tackle players.they won’t do it on their own so this forces their hand to figure something out.
I know you’re trying to hedge on defensive performance but last year was an outstanding year for defenses. And that includes the playoffs with healthy QBs. So the talk about the demise of defense is overblown. Defenses will adapt just as they have for all the roughing and targeting rules
Um, how long you been watching football? Because it's always been a strategy, since about 100 years ago. Hell, it was a strategy in HS when I put on a uniform. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Um, how long you been watching football? Because it's always been a strategy, since about 100 years ago. Hell, it was a strategy in HS when I put on a uniform.
The defense has A gigantic incentive to play dirty and knock players out of games for avoidable hits. Way more so now that players are bigger, faster and with concussion protocols being strictly enforced. It is easier than ever to decide if you can’t beat mahomes, take your worst player out as a goon and knock him into the blue tent. Or to accept a 15 yard penalty to blast Justin Jefferson knowing that there’s a decent probability you can take him off the field for the rest of the game. Concussion protocols are relatively new. The frequency of these hip drop tackles is something newer. These are new elements of the game everyone is dealing with.
The likelihood of avoidable injury is way worse for offense players. And that is not something you want to incentivize in a game where a single qb is so damn important that that injury alone can destroy a whole season. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni:
More ways to "steer" games
I'll say it again, per Tom Pelissero, the league is planning on enforcing this primarily through fines, not flags. Not a great way to steer outcomes, but go off I guess. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni:
Look, I'd be fine with the rule IF NFL officiating was consistent, they didn't swing COUNTLESS results on bogus penalties, they didn't "target" certain guys that Collinsworth embarrassed the officials over, or if they called what they saw not what they WANTED to see....PERIOD
I agree. Officiating is something that needs to be dealt with regardless.
But this is why you put this in the hands of the players union especially if fines are involved. Put it in their hands to blast apart the owners proposal. Then meet somewhere in the middle.
And while you do that fix officiating. At least this comes in exchange (probably) with making more penalties reviewable so I think the league gets the message that this is a sensitive topic [Reply]
Originally Posted by kysirsoze:
I'll say it again, per Tom Pelissero, the league is planning on enforcing this primarily through fines, not flags. Not a great way to steer outcomes, but go off I guess.
Oh, I'm pretty sure fines are a great way to alter how players play the game. Watch any game from the 1980s/1990s and how defenses react to QBs running the ball vs. how they play now. Alot of your ordinary LBs/DLs don't make tens of millions of dollars; those fines make a difference in their take-home pay pretty quickly. [Reply]
