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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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O.city 09:28 AM 08-21-2020
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Wasn't this known long before C-19 became a 'thing'?
One would think so
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O.city 09:28 AM 08-21-2020
It seems the biggest issue the US has with a pandemic is we’re so damn big and slow moving it’s hard to pivot very quickly.
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TLO 09:31 AM 08-21-2020
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Didn't another assisted living center around the area get hard again?
I think so, which would in theory explain the rise in hospitalizations. But nobody will talk about that.
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Discuss Thrower 09:41 AM 08-21-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
One would think so
So there really isn't a reason to pursue quicker, less sensitive tests then if the limitations of PCR in general weren't already established..
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Chris Meck 09:45 AM 08-21-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
It seems the biggest issue the US has with a pandemic is we’re so damn big and slow moving it’s hard to pivot very quickly.
It'd be helpful if we'd actually try.
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O.city 09:52 AM 08-21-2020
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
So there really isn't a reason to pursue quicker, less sensitive tests then if the limitations of PCR in general weren't already established..
That makes no sense
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kgrund 09:55 AM 08-21-2020
hhttps://www.cebm.net/covid-19/infec...sult-covid-19/

The above further speaks to the flaws in the PCR test and suggest only by calibrating the test to be far less sensitive would it be truly useful for what many would think it should be telling us.
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Discuss Thrower 10:10 AM 08-21-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
That makes no sense
It makes no sense to have a test that isn't perfect but will signal that someone who might have some or no symptoms needs a PCR test within 30 minutes of of an initial test administration to confirm whether or not they're actually infected with C-19?
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Demonpenz 10:16 AM 08-21-2020
stop with the boring shit. Someone wake up pete and donger to fight or something
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O.city 10:34 AM 08-21-2020
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
It makes no sense to have a test that isn't perfect but will signal that someone who might have some or no symptoms needs a PCR test within 30 minutes of of an initial test administration to confirm whether or not they're actually infected with C-19?
The issue is a pcr test doesn’t necessarily tell you if you are actively infected or not. It’s detecting viral rna which you can shed up to 3 months post infection.

So it’s too specific in catching stuff which is great as a diagnostic tool but not great in that it doesn’t really tell you if you are actively infected or not or if you’re infectious as we now know (and have always) that you’re the most infectious at high titers.

The antigen test actually works better imo for what we need right now
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dirk digler 10:34 AM 08-21-2020
Since we seeing more schools get infections\spreads especially in Georgia a teacher from Olathe has created a spreadsheet to keep track of it all.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Dr_8u9KF_LlgI#
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O.city 10:35 AM 08-21-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Since we seeing more schools get infections\spreads especially in Georgia a teacher from Olathe has created a spreadsheet to keep track of it all.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Dr_8u9KF_LlgI#
This is just fear mongering bullshit

Some people don’t want real answers or real research they just wanna do this kind of thing
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jdubya 10:43 AM 08-21-2020
Originally Posted by loochy:
wut
The covid test station here in my county in NorCal are nasal/nostril swabs......not the ones that go way back that feel like brain ticklers. The test station we went to also made a crack that in a few weeks the tests will consist of spitting on a piece of paper with instant results.
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dirk digler 10:45 AM 08-21-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
This is just fear mongering bullshit

Some people don’t want real answers or real research they just wanna do this kind of thing
I don't think so it is to provide a central place to inform the public.

You can read the teacher's reasoning here.

https://www.newsweek.com/tracking-co...chools-1526522
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Discuss Thrower 10:49 AM 08-21-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
The issue is a pcr test doesn’t necessarily tell you if you are actively infected or not. It’s detecting viral rna which you can shed up to 3 months post infection.

So it’s too specific in catching stuff which is great as a diagnostic tool but not great in that it doesn’t really tell you if you are actively infected or not or if you’re infectious as we now know (and have always) that you’re the most infectious at high titers.

The antigen test actually works better imo for what we need right now
I get that a PCR test will correctly identify what you are looking for but not exactly give you a time for when that positive identification mattered as it pertained to determining the spread of infection.

But beside the scientific limitations of coming up with something quicker, it doesn't seem to me that the public health apparatus has decided we need something quicker than PCR.
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