Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
These responses are parodies of themselves. I actually thought "At last! People are starting to wake up to Hamas' incredible bias and are mocking him!"
As I read on, I realized it was a serious response. This shit is laughable.
What you idiots don't get is IT'S NOT SCIENCE! It's propaganda. It's politics. This is why DJ's posts were far more relevant than Hamas' posts are. Lawyers are much more aware of politics than pharmacists are of epidemiology. I wish people would just pause and ask themselves some honest questions instead of perpetuating their smug ignorance.
But hey, Hamas is really smart and he's the expert here! Science!!!!
Science works on a pretty clear dictum in this case: you must reject the null hypothesis.
The null hypothesis for all therapeutics is that hydoxychloroquine has no efficacy for the treatment of COVID-19.
What evidence can you find that rejects the null hypothesis?
I, again, can point to large, observational trials using over 10,000 patients in each case that have been conducted all over the world. They have been published here, here, and here. Every one of them failed to reject the null hyptothesis.
I have spoken at length about the limitations of observational trials, in fact, I seem to remember someone complaining about me bringing it up.
Who was that? Oh yeah:
Originally Posted by Lurker: I wish you you and Hamas would knock it off with the stupid shit about RCT. You don't need an RCT for every single fucking thing, especially when none are available. People take thousands of calculated risks with incomplete information every single day. Just because there's no RCT doesn't mean the information is invalid.
Regarding the rest of your post, it's hard to take it very seriously when you conflate therapeutics, which concerns the efficacy of pharmacological interventions, with epidemiology, which is about the spread and control of disease.
I'll say again: what is biased about going off the evidence as presented in these trials? [Reply]
These responses are parodies of themselves. I actually thought "At last! People are starting to wake up to Hamas' incredible bias and are mocking him!"
As I read on, I realized it was a serious response. This shit is laughable.
What you idiots don't get is IT'S NOT SCIENCE! It's propaganda. It's politics. This is why DJ's posts were far more relevant than Hamas' posts are. Lawyers are much more aware of politics than pharmacists are of epidemiology. I wish people would just pause and ask themselves some honest questions instead of perpetuating their smug ignorance.
But hey, Hamas is really smart and he's the expert here! Science!!!!
Ignorance is a choice. Best go back to lurking... [Reply]
These responses are parodies of themselves. I actually thought "At last! People are starting to wake up to Hamas' incredible bias and are mocking him!"
As I read on, I realized it was a serious response. This shit is laughable.
What you idiots don't get is IT'S NOT SCIENCE! It's propaganda. It's politics. This is why DJ's posts were far more relevant than Hamas' posts are. Lawyers are much more aware of politics than pharmacists are of epidemiology. I wish people would just pause and ask themselves some honest questions instead of perpetuating their smug ignorance.
But hey, Hamas is really smart and he's the expert here! Science!!!!
These responses are parodies of themselves. I actually thought "At last! People are starting to wake up to Hamas' incredible bias and are mocking him!"
As I read on, I realized it was a serious response. This shit is laughable.
What you idiots don't get is IT'S NOT SCIENCE! It's propaganda. It's politics. This is why DJ's posts were far more relevant than Hamas' posts are. Lawyers are much more aware of politics than pharmacists are of epidemiology. I wish people would just pause and ask themselves some honest questions instead of perpetuating their smug ignorance.
But hey, Hamas is really smart and he's the expert here! Science!!!!
I think it's best you go back to lurking.. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Science works on a pretty clear dictum in this case: you must reject the null hypothesis.
The null hypothesis for all therapeutics is that hydoxychloroquine has no efficacy for the treatment of COVID-19.
What evidence can you find that rejects the null hypothesis?
I, again, can point to large, observational trials using over 10,000 patients in each case that have been conducted all over the world. They have been published here, here, and here. Every one of them failed to reject the null hyptothesis.
I have spoken at length about the limitations of observational trials, in fact, I seem to remember someone complaining about me bringing it up.
Who was that? Oh yeah:
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Regarding the rest of your post, it's hard to take it very seriously when you conflate therapeutics, which concerns the efficacy of pharmacological interventions, with epidemiology, which is about the spread and control of disease.
I'll say again: what is biased about going off the evidence as presented in these trials?
Your thought processes are so one-dimensional and your arrogance is so staggering, I'm not willing to discuss it with you. [Reply]
My favorite thing about today's world calling someone arrogant because they are smarter than you but you don't like what they're saying and want to disagree just cause. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
My favorite thing about today's world calling someone arrogant because they are smarter than you but you don't like what they're saying and want to disagree just cause.
Everyone's opinion is equally valid!!! REEEEEEEEE [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
My favorite thing about today's world calling someone arrogant because they are smarter than you but you don't like what they're saying and want to disagree just cause.
Stupid people having a forum on the internet or social media overload does nothing but make their voices louder and even more stupid but they will never understand it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Redbled:
Stupid people having a forum on the internet or social media overload does nothing but make their voices louder and even more stupid but they will never understand it.
Cognitive dissonance is a bitch and the main problem with the world we live in [Reply]
Originally Posted by Lurker:
Your thought processes are so one-dimensional and your arrogance is so staggering, I'm not willing to discuss it with you.
Which dimension is your thought process from? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Lurker:
Your thought processes are so one-dimensional and your arrogance is so staggering, I'm not willing to discuss it with you.
Originally Posted by Pablo:
Everyone's opinion is equally valid!!! REEEEEEEEE
I have this thing I like to say, not all opinions were created equal. Just because you can post on twitter or facebook, or find 10 other people who agree with you doesn't change shit.
If a dude who is an expert in his field says something and you disagree, your opinion means less than his. This is something that we have a really hard time with in today's world, everyone thinks their opinions mean just as much, bullshit they don't.
I get very frustrated how we live in this time where no one will admit there are things they know nothing about. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Lurker:
Your thought processes are so one-dimensional and your arrogance is so staggering, I'm not willing to discuss it with you.
When applying the scientific method, not all opinions are equal. A Youtube video from someone who's not even a doctor isn't very meaningful at all compared to a peer-reviewed meta study. It's just not. There are legit methods for disproving a peer-reviewed study. That is not it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
I have this thing I like to say, not all opinions were created equal. Just because you can post on twitter or facebook, or find 10 other people who agree with you doesn't change shit.
If a dude who is an expert in his field says something and you disagree, your opinion means less than his. This is something that we have a really hard time with in today's world, everyone thinks their opinions mean just as much, bullshit they don't.
I get very frustrated how we live in this time where no one will admit there are things they know nothing about.
Because for some reason saying "I don't know" "I was wrong" have become a sign of weakness, when I see it as the opposite, being stupid and stubborn is a very bad combo for improving at anything you are trying to do. I encourage my kids not be afraid of making mistakes as long as you can learn from them. [Reply]
