Originally Posted by kccrow:
That's my issue with big corners and a reason I don't have Oruwariye rated any higher than I do. I'm tired of watching this team have corners that get beat by smaller receivers in the playoffs. Edelman. Brown. Etc. Give me a corner that might struggle against the few 6'4"-6'5" receivers that are actually worth a **** that I might have to roll a safety over the top of than try to compensate for corners that can't cover simple slants.
I agree with how frustrating that is. But shouldn't you be able to handle that problem with scheme and play calling? With some disguise, stunts and coverage? How many routes can these little quick guys run if they don't have all day to throw? It is very frustrating to get beat by a quick slant with edelman over and over again. But again, some of that is on scheme and play calling. A big corner that can cover a big WR one on one without help has tremendous value, especially in certain situations. [Reply]
I'm starting to think Byron will be the first corner taken in the draft.
Our best bet for a first round corner might be for Greedy to fall to us. I don't think Deandre will make it to us at 29 either.
If we can't get either of the three I'd be happy with trading back to 35 or so and snagging a couple extra picks in the draft....especially since there's a few mid round type guys I could see being good fits for what we're trying to do. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ntexascardfan:
The Patriots are the king of trading out of the first to stock up picks...it's a strategy I'd be completely fine emulating.
When you look at what they've gotten in those exchanges, it doesn't actually work worth a damn. Hasn't worked well for the Seahawks either and they're probably the 2nd most prone to it.
There's a saying in warfare - "Quantity has a quality all it's own..." It works in that context - throwing bodies at the problem can be fantastic if you're trying to take out a pillbox.
But in the NFL draft, you take the best available prospect 100 times out of 100. Trading out of the 1st to pick up an extra 4th and a 6th is a good way to ensure that you end up with a bunch of mediocrity jam packed on a roster that needs immediate contributors.
If all those CBs come off the board, there are going to be 1st round caliber TEs or DLs available, take one of those, lock up the 5th year option and be happy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
When you look at what they've gotten in those exchanges, it doesn't actually work worth a damn. Hasn't worked well for the Seahawks either and they're probably the 2nd most prone to it.
There's a saying in warfare - "Quantity has a quality all it's own..." It works in that context - throwing bodies at the problem can be fantastic if you're trying to take out a pillbox.
But in the NFL draft, you take the best available prospect 100 times out of 100. Trading out of the 1st to pick up an extra 4th and a 6th is a good way to ensure that you end up with a bunch of mediocrity jam packed on a roster that needs immediate contributors.
If all those CBs come off the board, there are going to be 1st round caliber TEs or DLs available, take one of those, lock up the 5th year option and be happy.
If there were literally no one there I wanted, I'd trade the pick to someone else for a current player before I just traded back. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
If there were literally no one there I wanted, I'd trade the pick to someone else for a current player before I just traded back.
If there's a guy you'd take at 35, just take him at 29 and get the option.
That's why Staylor goes round and round with me on the Chris Jones thing. I said I thought he was probably a middle of the 2nd round guy because I worried about his motor and pad level (said that pre-draft). But I said after we got absolute shit back in return for the trade down that if their plan was always to take Jones, they'd have been better served staying where they were and just taking him in the 1st to get the 5th year option.
There's just no sensible situation where you find yourself saying "oh, well this guy is worth the 35th pick but he's NOT worth the 29...." The difference there is one of personal preference only and everyone's draft board is different than yours. Brett Veach is not the god of player value - they're all just haggling in the margins at that point. Just take the guy and get your 5th year. Don't try to tell me that your prospectin' skills are so refined, so precise and so fine tuned that you KNOW a guy taken at 29 is a reach but by 35 he's a good guy to get. That's just silly and doesn't pass a basic sniff test.
And besides, did everyone already forget about ol' Spithood Siavii? Good ol' King Karl is sitting there at 30 with an eye on Igor Olshanski. He is dead certain he'll still be there a few picks later and gets exactly the same return that EVERYONE gets at the back of the 1st to trade down a few spots - a 4th and a 6th (it's always a 4th and a 6th). Well more accurately, a 4th in that draft and a 5th in the following draft; whatever, same difference.
Igor Olshansky goes one pick before us and we take that fucking mongoloid retard Junior Siavii who never starts a game for us. And with our glorious 4th rounder and next years 5th we get Samie friggen Parker and Alfonso Hodge. I'm not sure Hodge even made the team out of camp and Parker...well what needs be said about Samie Parker?
Olshansky went on to have a damn nice, long productive career.
Trading out of the 1st is almost invariably a poor decision. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
When you look at what they've gotten in those exchanges, it doesn't actually work worth a damn. Hasn't worked well for the Seahawks either and they're probably the 2nd most prone to it.
There's a saying in warfare - "Quantity has a quality all it's own..." It works in that context - throwing bodies at the problem can be fantastic if you're trying to take out a pillbox.
But in the NFL draft, you take the best available prospect 100 times out of 100. Trading out of the 1st to pick up an extra 4th and a 6th is a good way to ensure that you end up with a bunch of mediocrity jam packed on a roster that needs immediate contributors.
If all those CBs come off the board, there are going to be 1st round caliber TEs or DLs available, take one of those, lock up the 5th year option and be happy.
I'll stick with Belichick's strategy over some dude on a message board.
Here's a pretty good break down of the draft deals the Patriots have made during Bill's time in NE.
DJ, Let’s be real you didn’t like Jones either way
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
That would be a TERRIBLE pick.
Too early at a position that's way too deep. Even if you think Jones is a 1st round talent (he isnt), there will be a player almost exactly like him available at the back of the second and I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar player still there in the third.
That would be a truly awful selection.
Lol I definitely agree they should’ve just taken him in the 1st though. That 5th year option would be nice right about now.
And yea no trade downs unless we rob somebody [Reply]
I wouldn't mind seeing them target D'Squarius Green Jr. from Notre Dame with one their third round picks. He lit up the East-West Game, and will likely get a combine invite. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
I wouldn't mind seeing them target D'Squarius Green Jr. from Notre Dame with one their third round picks. He lit up the East-West Game, and will likely get a combine invite.
