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Washington DC and The Holy Land>NYC's $15 Minimum Wage—Now Officially a Disaster
BucEyedPea 07:45 AM 08-13-2019
Real world proof, nothing Loneiguana claimed has materialized—and NEVER will.
New York City’s $15 minimum wage, which began to take effect Dec. 31, 2018, was meant to bolster earnings and quality of life, but for a lot of residents, it’s doing the opposite...

“Many people working in the restaurant industry wanted to work overtime hours, but due to the increase, many restaurants have cut back or totally eliminated any overtime work,” Andrew Riggie, executive director of the New York City Hospitality Alliance, told Fox News. “There’s only so much consumers are willing to pay for a burger or a bowl of pasta.”

Roughly 77 percent of NYC restaurants have slashed employee hours. Thirty-six percent said they had to layoff employees and 90 percent had to increase prices following the minimum wage hike, according to a NYC Hospitality Alliance survey taken just one month after the bill took effect.

Only about 4 percent of survey respondents indicated that none of the above changes took place in their restaurants.

“What it really forces you to do is make sure that nobody works more than 40 hours,” Susannah Koteen, owner of Lido Restaurant in Harlem, told Fox News. “You can only cut back so many people before the service starts to suffer.”

NYC restaurants are taking hits from Cuomo’s push, but Washington doesn’t seem to have received the memo. The House passed the Raise The Wage Act in July, which mandated a nation-wide $15 minimum wage. The bill was later blocked by the Senate.

The bill would have effectively doubled the federal minimum wage of $7.25/hr. There is dismal 6 percent support for a nation-wide $15 wage hike among economists, according to Fox News surveys.

Cuomo’s office did not respond to a request for comment from the Daily Caller News Foundation by the time of publishing.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...disaster-71761

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2bikemike 02:53 PM 08-13-2019
Originally Posted by Iowanian:
Don't forget the increase in 401K match, payroll taxes, unemployment tax, workman's comp and other costs that are also increased along with that wage increase.

I don't care if people make more money, but if you want to make more money, do something so you qualify for a better than min wage job. Waitresses might make less than min wage hourly without tips, but they're doing better than that.

I see posts saying it won't affect business and profit? Anyone who says that knows nothing about small business, small town business. There are a lot of mom-pop businesses who cannot absorb that increase.
I doubt there is much 401k matching going on in the minimum wage pool at but I don't really know. I purposely left out the other payroll taxes to simplify. Those employer paid payroll taxes are another increased add on.

As far as Min wage jobs my niece worked at Applebee's for quite some time. She pretty much worked weekends only. Her hourly wage was really low less than min. wage. However she was bringing in more than her school teacher sister.
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BryanBusby 03:00 PM 08-13-2019
Tipping is stupid and should go away. Raise the min wage and put it into the cost of food, don't give a fuck. It'll be the same in the end.
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loochy 03:01 PM 08-13-2019
Originally Posted by 2bikemike:
I doubt there is much 401k matching going on in the minimum wage pool at but I don't really know. I purposely left out the other payroll taxes to simplify. Those employer paid payroll taxes are another increased add on.

As far as Min wage jobs my niece worked at Applebee's for quite some time. She pretty much worked weekends only. Her hourly wage was really low less than min. wage. However she was bringing in more than her school teacher sister.
And she reported it all to the IRS, right? :wink:
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Johnny Vegas 03:11 PM 08-13-2019
Originally Posted by listopencil:
Khalifa, a Lebanon native, only worked in the adult film business for three months, but was — and still is — one of its biggest names.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/12/mia-kh...2k-doing-porn/


$12K x 4 = $48k a year.
Where you getting the 4? She stated she’s only raked in 12k to this day
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Iowanian 03:11 PM 08-13-2019
Originally Posted by 2bikemike:
I doubt there is much 401k matching going on in the minimum wage pool at but I don't really know. I purposely left out the other payroll taxes to simplify. Those employer paid payroll taxes are another increased add on.

As far as Min wage jobs my niece worked at Applebee's for quite some time. She pretty much worked weekends only. Her hourly wage was really low less than min. wage. However she was bringing in more than her school teacher sister.
I understand what you're saying, but when I"m hearing this argument for min wage, it's under the guise of "not being able to support your family" which tells me we are talking about full time employees, not HS kids bagging groceries.

If it's a full time job, there are benefits. Those benefits are based on percentages of the wages and it affects more than just the hourly increase by at least 30% of that increase in wages.
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scho63 03:11 PM 08-13-2019
Originally Posted by BryanBusby:
Tipping is stupid and should go away. Raise the min wage and put it into the cost of food, don't give a fuck. It'll be the same in the end.
I'm not sure I agree that tipping is stupid for things like bartenders or haircutters or valet parking attendants to name a few but I NEVER give tips to people working the cash register.

That is the most fucked up thing I've ever seen. I'm supposed to give you EXTRA money for doing your job??? WTF??? :-)
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tatorhog 03:17 PM 08-13-2019
if a person makes $17.50/hr at a skilled trade, and minimum wage is rasied to $15....why would that person continue to work a skilled, and possibly stressful job when they could quit and get a couple Mcjobs for close to the same money?

Its encouraging people to sit on ass and be stagnant which ultimately screws the middle class by shoving them closer to the poverty line.

Instead of making a McJob more rewarding, why not encourage that same person working the McJob to apply themselves and get a better job? Rewarding performance seems more valuable overall.

Incentivize growth and development.
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loochy 03:22 PM 08-13-2019
Originally Posted by scho63:
I'm not sure I agree that tipping is stupid for things like bartenders or haircutters or valet parking attendants to name a few but I NEVER give tips to people working the cash register.

That is the most fucked up thing I've ever seen. I'm supposed to give you EXTRA money for doing your job??? WTF??? :-)
I tip when I receive some sort of customized service. A haricutter provides a customized service. Some types of waitresses provide customized services. Bartenders *might*, depending on what is ordered (but I WILL tip early on at a crowded bar so the bartender notices me and I don't get ignored on the next round :-))
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Merde Furieux 03:26 PM 08-13-2019
Let's make a law, minimum wage for NBA players.
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Fish 03:30 PM 08-13-2019
Originally Posted by scho63:
I'm not sure I agree that tipping is stupid for things like bartenders or haircutters or valet parking attendants to name a few but I NEVER give tips to people working the cash register.

That is the most fucked up thing I've ever seen. I'm supposed to give you EXTRA money for doing your job??? WTF??? :-)
So the cash register employee shouldn't expect extra money for doing their job, but the bartender, haircutter, and valets should? You don't find that contradictory?

The entire tipping structure in the US is unnecessary. Everywhere else in the world manages to pay bartenders, haircutters, and valets a full wage, and not rely on the unpredictable generosity of strangers to hopefully provide what the employers don't. But it's not a reliable process and never has been.
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Merde Furieux 03:33 PM 08-13-2019
Originally Posted by Fish:
So the cash register employee shouldn't expect extra money for doing their job, but the bartender, haircutter, and valets should? You don't find that contradictory?

The entire tipping structure in the US is unnecessary. Everywhere else in the world manages to pay bartenders, haircutters, and valets a full wage, and not rely on the unpredictable generosity of strangers to hopefully provide what the employers don't. But it's not a reliable process and never has been.
Jackass...

bartending and cutting hair are CASH BUSINESSES. They DON'T WANT government stooges like you getting in the way. They don't NEED your "help".
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Fish 03:34 PM 08-13-2019
Originally Posted by loochy:
I tip when I receive some sort of customized service. A haricutter provides a customized service. Some types of waitresses provide customized services. Bartenders *might*, depending on what is ordered (but I WILL tip early on at a crowded bar so the bartender notices me and I don't get ignored on the next round :-))
But I could rattle off 1000 other customized services for which there's never been any kind of tip expectation. If you try explaining it to anyone not accustomed to US tipping norms, they think it's pretty ridiculous.
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2bikemike 03:35 PM 08-13-2019
Originally Posted by Iowanian:
I understand what you're saying, but when I"m hearing this argument for min wage, it's under the guise of "not being able to support your family" which tells me we are talking about full time employees, not HS kids bagging groceries.

If it's a full time job, there are benefits. Those benefits are based on percentages of the wages and it affects more than just the hourly increase by at least 30% of that increase in wages.
I wholeheartedly agree. I don't really know anyone in the min. wage pool except restaurant employees who even though they may be "labeled" as Min. Wage are bringing in considerably more.

I was always told you could just about double a persons wage by adding in the benefits alone. For example if you make $15 the employer is actually shelling out closer to $30. Obviously that is a rough estimate.

Anybody making minimum wage trying to support a family has obviously failed somewhere along the line. No skills/Trade = low or no pay!
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loochy 03:37 PM 08-13-2019
Originally Posted by Fish:
But I could rattle off 1000 other customized services for which there's never been any kind of tip expectation. If you try explaining it to anyone not accustomed to US tipping norms, they think it's pretty ridiculous.
And sometimes I tip anyway. I tend to be more free about it when there's no expectation to do so.
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HonestChieffan 03:40 PM 08-13-2019
People who have never owned a business, been responsible for running a business, hired an employee or know zero about profit and loss have no business establishing wages for any job much less an entry level low skill role.
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