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Frazod 09:08 PM 05-06-2019
Just finished the first episode; I guess I'll be keeping HBO a bit longer after Game of Thrones ends.

It is fascinating, horrifying and infuriating. And spellbinding.
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O.city 12:40 PM 05-13-2019
Originally Posted by Amnorix:
A nuclear plant hasn't been built in the US in decades, and never will be again. The local, regional and national political headwinds are too great.
Which is dumb
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Amnorix 01:55 PM 05-13-2019
Originally Posted by O.city:
Which is dumb

In the abstract, yes. Compared to, say, coal, it burns "clean" and very, very efficiently. In fact, when nuclear power was first coming into play, people literally thought that electricity would be free in the future. That it would be so cheap and plentiful that it wouldn't be worth the time to meter and bill it. THAT is how efficient nuclear power is.

But let's be serious -- would you want anyone to build a nuclear power plant within, let's say, ten miles of your house? Even if YOU are ok with it, you know that it will affect the value of your property when you go to sell, so the answer is "no".

And events like Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, Fukushima Daiichi and other, lesser, incidents keep the dangerousness issue at the forefront of people's consciousness.

Then you have another concern -- terrorism. A nuclear plant makes a FAR more tempting target for some psycho than a solar plant.

Solar and other renewables are the future, not nuclear. There are issues with solar, but they are the type of things that drive up costs not the type of things that result in death. If engineers ran the world, we'd be all nuclear already, but they don't, and that's just how it is.
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O.city 02:28 PM 05-13-2019
Originally Posted by Amnorix:
In the abstract, yes. Compared to, say, coal, it burns "clean" and very, very efficiently. In fact, when nuclear power was first coming into play, people literally thought that electricity would be free in the future. That it would be so cheap and plentiful that it wouldn't be worth the time to meter and bill it. THAT is how efficient nuclear power is.

But let's be serious -- would you want anyone to build a nuclear power plant within, let's say, ten miles of your house? Even if YOU are ok with it, you know that it will affect the value of your property when you go to sell, so the answer is "no".

And events like Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, Fukushima Daiichi and other, lesser, incidents keep the dangerousness issue at the forefront of people's consciousness.

Then you have another concern -- terrorism. A nuclear plant makes a FAR more tempting target for some psycho than a solar plant.

Solar and other renewables are the future, not nuclear. There are issues with solar, but they are the type of things that drive up costs not the type of things that result in death. If engineers ran the world, we'd be all nuclear already, but they don't, and that's just how it is.
Sure, feasible issues. But allot of that is due to lack of education. With tech advancing like it is, we should have no problem with nuclear.

It's cleaner, better etc than everything fossil fuel IIRC.
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Frazod 08:12 PM 05-13-2019
Just finished Episode 2. Goddamn this is excellent. HBO really hits stuff like this out of the park.
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Fish 10:04 PM 05-13-2019
Jesus... that ending....

Spoiler!

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BigRedChief 10:04 PM 05-13-2019
Saw the trailer and gave episode 1 a chance. Holy shit that was compelling well done TV. The inefficient and inept infrastructure of the Soviets to support the plant is as fascinating TV as the actual disaster.
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O.city 10:24 PM 05-13-2019
Well it was more that they had no fucking clue that shit could happen

The last scene was fucking terrifying
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Pogue 11:30 PM 05-13-2019
Thought the first two episodes are fascinating on several levels. The main takeaway I got from the first two episodes is that a Communist government doesn’t give a rat **** about the people.

It really is astounding how the communist leaders just immediately said *raspberry* to experts warning that the reactor blew up because they thought the government could do no wrong and they don’t want to question it.
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BigRedChief 01:15 AM 05-14-2019
Originally Posted by Pogue:
Thought the first two episodes are fascinating on several levels. The main takeaway I got from the first two episodes is that a Communist government doesn’t give a rat **** about the people.

It really is astounding how the communist leaders just immediately said *raspberry* to experts warning that the reactor blew up because they thought the government could do no wrong and they don’t want to question it.
yeah I don’t know why exactly but this show is must see TV. You are hooked once you start.
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BucEyedPea 08:19 AM 05-14-2019
Originally Posted by Frazod:
Just finished Episode 2. Goddamn this is excellent. HBO really hits stuff like this out of the park.
I wasn't going to watch it because I thought it was too gruesome to watch. But I apparently left my tv on HBO from Sunday night's GoT's and saw half of it when I turned my tv back on last night. It caught my attention. It mesmerized me. It was good. So I am going to click on my HBOGo and watch it from the start—after I finish the Medici Series on Netflix. Nearly done with it already.
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Amnorix 08:43 AM 05-14-2019
Originally Posted by Pogue:
Thought the first two episodes are fascinating on several levels. The main takeaway I got from the first two episodes is that a Communist government doesn’t give a rat **** about the people.

Yes. In concept, communism is supposed to be completely FOR the people. In reality, because the party was insulated from any consequences of an unhappy populace, and because power corrupts, they had no reason to give a damn about the sheep, and had a paternalistic attitude (without any love) for them in general.


Originally Posted by :
It really is astounding how the communist leaders just immediately said *raspberry* to experts warning that the reactor blew up because they thought the government could do no wrong and they don’t want to question it.

The system was inherently built around fear. Trying to minimize or redirect any possible blame was built into the core of anyone within that society. There's a certain degree of that in any human, but in Soviet Russia it was exponentially more important not to be blamed for a fuck-up of any significance.

The willingness of bureaucrats to ignore experts is stunning, but it's probably something they routinely did. They held all the power, and were probably used to overrunning the opinions of the technocrats.
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Frazod 09:25 AM 05-14-2019
I wonder how accurate the Gorbachev scenes are. So far, at least, they've portrayed him as fairly thoughtful and reasonable.
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Mecca 09:26 AM 05-14-2019
Originally Posted by Fish:
Jesus... that ending....

Spoiler!
Those dudes in real life all sacrificed their lives to save about half of Europe.
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notorious 10:40 AM 05-14-2019
Originally Posted by Frazod:
I wonder how accurate the Gorbachev scenes are. So far, at least, they've portrayed him as fairly thoughtful and reasonable.
That was what he was known for.


Reagan and Gorbachev could actually talk to each other.
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notorious 10:43 AM 05-14-2019
This is the best show on TV.

Fantastic acting, they brought in Stellan Skarsgård, Emily Watson, and Jared Harris FFS.


I have read and read about the Chernobyl disaster. This movie is absolutely crushing the story.
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