Nolan and Zack Snyder, definitely an interesting team. There are already rumors now that Zod is going to be the villain.
I have to say I'm excited that it "appears" they aren't going to go totally out of left field and do something stupid and out of character for Superman. [Reply]
The family survived. I'm positive they showed a quick shot of them after Zod's heat vision stopped, all with a WTF look on their faces. It was brief, but I'm pretty sure how it happened. The scream, imo, was as you said - for killing the last Kryptonian left (other than him, of course), and for actually taking a life after repressing his anger for so many years.
I don't know why everyone is ragging on Supes for "not caring"
Spoiler!
while battling Zod in Metropolis. I think you're supposed to assume most people were running for their lives and the buildings were mostly empty. Snyder didn't show crowds of people getting toasted like "Independence Day" or "War Of The Worlds". Besides, Supes was kinda busy trying to save the Earth from being terraformed and then from having Zod kick his ass. And in Smallville he had THREE Kryptonians on one side and the Army on the other; he wasn't exactly available to say, "Gee, fellas, hold on while I escort some humans to safety, okay?" It just seems like a weird nitpick.
Ditto for the "lack of joy" comments by so many critics. We've already discussed how a movie in 2013 is going to be less joyful than one in the 1980s due to the current world situation and the current trend in superhero films. And, frankly, what would Clark Kent have to be joyous about? Especially BEFORE becoming Supes? A loner misfit outcast, last of his kind, no friends, trying to figure out who he is, dealing with weird shit... pretty much everything "Smallville" was, and previous Supes incarnations weren't. I haven't read the old comics in a while, but was Supes ever even portrayed as anything other than a Boy Scout? IIRC he landed in Smallville, the Kents found him, and next thing you know he was at the Daily Planet in a pair of glasses. The Supes mythology had no realism, no growing pains, no nuances of personality or conflict. Now that he has BECOME the Man Of Steel, maybe in the second film he'll find a little joy... but if he doesn't, so what? Even though he's all-powerful, he's still the only one of his kind, he still (maybe) can't have a relationship with Lois Lane, he's still got to deal with the pressures of saving the world... I rewatched "Superman Returns" last night (which IMO gets a bit of a bad rap), and there's one scene which could've been in this current film, where Brandon Routh lifts that film's Lois Lane high above the city and says, "Do you hear anything?" and she says, "No," and he says, "I hear everything" (the implication being he HAS to play the savior, because he has the power and knows he can, and hears everyone crying for help). (In a way, it's akin to a totally different film, "Groundhog Day": Bill Murray moves from the joy of being able to do what he wants, to the pathos of wanting it all to end, to finally realizing he can use his repeating day to help everyone around him.) That kind of pressure would make a guy pretty joyless, I think. [Reply]
One thing Snyder and the writers completely nailed
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was letting Lois know who Supes was from the jump. Even as a kid, that annoyed me to no end that she couldn't see past a pair of glasses and a three piece.
Pretty sure that was covered earlier; just wanted to say it again. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bowser:
One thing Snyder and the writers completely nailed
Spoiler!
was letting Lois know who Supes was from the jump. Even as a kid, that annoyed me to no end that she couldn't see past a pair of glasses and a three piece.
Pretty sure that was covered earlier; just wanted to say it again.
Originally Posted by JD10367:
I don't know why everyone is ragging on Supes for "not caring"
Spoiler!
while battling Zod in Metropolis. I think you're supposed to assume most people were running for their lives and the buildings were mostly empty. Snyder didn't show crowds of people getting toasted like "Independence Day" or "War Of The Worlds". Besides, Supes was kinda busy trying to save the Earth from being terraformed and then from having Zod kick his ass. And in Smallville he had THREE Kryptonians on one side and the Army on the other; he wasn't exactly available to say, "Gee, fellas, hold on while I escort some humans to safety, okay?" It just seems like a weird nitpick.
Ditto for the "lack of joy" comments by so many critics. We've already discussed how a movie in 2013 is going to be less joyful than one in the 1980s due to the current world situation and the current trend in superhero films. And, frankly, what would Clark Kent have to be joyous about? Especially BEFORE becoming Supes? A loner misfit outcast, last of his kind, no friends, trying to figure out who he is, dealing with weird shit... pretty much everything "Smallville" was, and previous Supes incarnations weren't. I haven't read the old comics in a while, but was Supes ever even portrayed as anything other than a Boy Scout? IIRC he landed in Smallville, the Kents found him, and next thing you know he was at the Daily Planet in a pair of glasses. The Supes mythology had no realism, no growing pains, no nuances of personality or conflict. Now that he has BECOME the Man Of Steel, maybe in the second film he'll find a little joy... but if he doesn't, so what? Even though he's all-powerful, he's still the only one of his kind, he still (maybe) can't have a relationship with Lois Lane, he's still got to deal with the pressures of saving the world... I rewatched "Superman Returns" last night (which IMO gets a bit of a bad rap), and there's one scene which could've been in this current film, where Brandon Routh lifts that film's Lois Lane high above the city and says, "Do you hear anything?" and she says, "No," and he says, "I hear everything" (the implication being he HAS to play the savior, because he has the power and knows he can, and hears everyone crying for help). (In a way, it's akin to a totally different film, "Groundhog Day": Bill Murray moves from the joy of being able to do what he wants, to the pathos of wanting it all to end, to finally realizing he can use his repeating day to help everyone around him.) That kind of pressure would make a guy pretty joyless, I think.
I think there was some joy when he kissed Lois. So much so that he made a smartass remark. I'm not really buying the no joy thing either. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Lee:
And watching a KU football game of all things. Curious as to why they choose KU football and not KU BBall.
Thoughts?
probably following through the all-american midwestern love for football, and in both the Donner and CW's Smallville continuity Clark favored football. [Reply]
Following a wave of well-received preview screenings, as well as a deluge of good to great reviews (read our review here), it should come as no surprise that Warner Bros. has already fast tracked a sequel to Man of Steel, which is set for a release (and box office dominion) later this week.
Further, Warner Bros. is ensuring that their dream team that made Man of Steel—director Zack Snyder, screenwriter David Goyer, and producer Christopher Nolan—will all be returning to make Man of Steel 2. However, before you get too excited, Nolan fans, know that the Dark Knight Trilogy director will be working on Man of Steel 2 in a reduced capacity, and won’t be overseeing it quite as much as he did the first films. So go ahead and let your fears about quality control on Man of Steel 2 begin now.
The Man of Steel 2 news comes on the heels of the new Justice League info—in that, there will indeed be a Justice League film, and David Goyer will be writing it. So, can Man of Steel 2 be seen a bridge from the Supes franchise to the Justice League films, a la Iron Man 2? And, if so, can Snyder please make sure it isn’t anywhere as terrible as Iron Man 2? Are we sure Nolan isn’t too busy to just oversee this thing?
Originally Posted by JD10367:
I don't know why everyone is ragging on Supes for "not caring"
Spoiler!
while battling Zod in Metropolis. I think you're supposed to assume most people were running for their lives and the buildings were mostly empty. Snyder didn't show crowds of people getting toasted like "Independence Day" or "War Of The Worlds". Besides, Supes was kinda busy trying to save the Earth from being terraformed and then from having Zod kick his ass. And in Smallville he had THREE Kryptonians on one side and the Army on the other; he wasn't exactly available to say, "Gee, fellas, hold on while I escort some humans to safety, okay?" It just seems like a weird nitpick.
Ditto for the "lack of joy" comments by so many critics. We've already discussed how a movie in 2013 is going to be less joyful than one in the 1980s due to the current world situation and the current trend in superhero films. And, frankly, what would Clark Kent have to be joyous about? Especially BEFORE becoming Supes? A loner misfit outcast, last of his kind, no friends, trying to figure out who he is, dealing with weird shit... pretty much everything "Smallville" was, and previous Supes incarnations weren't. I haven't read the old comics in a while, but was Supes ever even portrayed as anything other than a Boy Scout? IIRC he landed in Smallville, the Kents found him, and next thing you know he was at the Daily Planet in a pair of glasses. The Supes mythology had no realism, no growing pains, no nuances of personality or conflict. Now that he has BECOME the Man Of Steel, maybe in the second film he'll find a little joy... but if he doesn't, so what? Even though he's all-powerful, he's still the only one of his kind, he still (maybe) can't have a relationship with Lois Lane, he's still got to deal with the pressures of saving the world... I rewatched "Superman Returns" last night (which IMO gets a bit of a bad rap), and there's one scene which could've been in this current film, where Brandon Routh lifts that film's Lois Lane high above the city and says, "Do you hear anything?" and she says, "No," and he says, "I hear everything" (the implication being he HAS to play the savior, because he has the power and knows he can, and hears everyone crying for help). (In a way, it's akin to a totally different film, "Groundhog Day": Bill Murray moves from the joy of being able to do what he wants, to the pathos of wanting it all to end, to finally realizing he can use his repeating day to help everyone around him.) That kind of pressure would make a guy pretty joyless, I think.
This is EXACTLY right, and something I'm astounded so many critics and online commenters have missed, especially those who compare this to the Donner films.
HE'S NOT SUPES YET.
In fact, near the end, when he shows up with the crashed drone, at that point he seems much more relaxed and confident, and even makes a joke about being from Kansas. There, he seemed a lot more like Christopher Reeve's Supes. But it took a lot of shit to get him there. [Reply]
Originally Posted by siberian khatru:
This is EXACTLY right, and something I'm astounded so many critics and online commenters have missed, especially those who compare this to the Donner films.
HE'S NOT SUPES YET.
In fact, near the end, when he shows up with the crashed drone, at that point he seems much more relaxed and confident, and even makes a joke about being from Kansas. There, he seemed a lot more like Christopher Reeve's Supes. But it took a lot of shit to get him there.
Exactly....
This is why people got pissed cause they expected everything in 1 movie. The next one may feel more familiar. [Reply]
Pretty sure they survived. One of the major critsims I've seen is that why did Superman care so much about that family of four, but didn't seem to give a shit about the thousands or millions that were killed in Metropolis while he battled Zod?
Spoiler!
My read on that is that the family was not collateral damage, it was going to be a cold-blooded killing. And Supes implored Zod to stop and -- this is key, IMO -- Zod said, "Never!" Kal knew that they could slug it out from one end of the earth to the other, with millions, maybe billions, of casualties, unless he ended it NOW. He could take one life to save untold others. So he reluctantly did it -- and immediately was anguished by it. The responsibility of making that decision, taking that extreme action, weighing on him tremendously.
Originally Posted by JD10367:
I don't know why everyone is ragging on Supes for "not caring"
Spoiler!
while battling Zod in Metropolis. I think you're supposed to assume most people were running for their lives and the buildings were mostly empty. Snyder didn't show crowds of people getting toasted like "Independence Day" or "War Of The Worlds". Besides, Supes was kinda busy trying to save the Earth from being terraformed and then from having Zod kick his ass. And in Smallville he had THREE Kryptonians on one side and the Army on the other; he wasn't exactly available to say, "Gee, fellas, hold on while I escort some humans to safety, okay?" It just seems like a weird nitpick.
During the Smallville fight was the one time I remember them showing Superman go out of his way to save a stranger. They showed him save a falling soldier. Then I think he saved Meloni's soldier before he got his ass kicked by Fiora. Posted via Mobile Device [Reply]