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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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suzzer99 10:59 AM 03-06-2020
From the latest WHO briefing:

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Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus: We see encouraging signs from the Republic of Korea. The number of newly reported cases appears to be declining, and the cases that are being reported are being identified primarily from known clusters. Although a few countries are reporting large numbers of cases, 115 countries have not reported any cases. 21 countries have reported only one case, and five countries that had reported cases have not reported new cases in the past 14 days.

The experience of these countries, and of China, continues to demonstrate that this is not a one-way street. This epidemic can be pushed back, but only with a collective coordinated and comprehensive approach that engages the entire machinery of government. We’re calling on every country to act with speed, scale, and clear-minded determination. Although we continue to see the majority of cases in handful of countries, we’re deeply concerned about the increasing number of countries reporting cases, especially those with weaker health systems.

However, this epidemic is a threat for every country, rich and poor, and as we have said before, even the high income countries should expect surprises. The solution is aggressive preparedness. We’re concerned that some countries have either not taken this seriously enough, or have decided there is nothing they can do. We’re concerned that in some countries the level of political commitment and the actions that demonstrate that commitment do not match the level of the threat we all face.

This is not a drill. This is not the time to give up. This is not a time for excuses. This is a time for pulling out all the stops. Countries have been planning for scenarios like this for decades. Now is the time to act on those plans. These are plans that start with leadership from the top. Coordinating every part of government, not just the health ministry. Security, diplomacy, finance, commerce, transport, trade, information, and more. The whole government should be involved. We need a whole government approach.

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FD 11:04 AM 03-06-2020
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Testing for the coronavirus might have stopped it. Now it’s too late.
The disease spread unchecked in the United States because we didn’t look for it.

By William Hanage

William Hanage is an associate professor of epidemiology at the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

March 6, 2020 at 3:00 a.m. PST

The battle to keep covid-19 from becoming established in the United States is probably over without a single shot being fired. We were not outwitted, outpaced or outflanked. We knew what was coming. We just twiddled our thumbs as the coronavirus waltzed in.

The first thing officials need when responding to an infectious disease is a way to test for it — a way to tell who has it and who is at risk. Dozens of such test procedures have been produced in the scant weeks since covid-19 announced itself to the world by shutting down Wuhan, China, a city the size of New York. Public health agencies around the globe have generated huge amounts of data on how well these tests work and have rolled them out on a massive scale. South Korea alone has tested more than 100,000 of its citizens.

But the United States has lagged far behind the rest of the world in testing for the new coronavirus. As a result, outbreaks here are likely to be more numerous and more difficult to control than they would have been otherwise. I research infectious disease and how to fight it, so I know how important it is to detect outbreaks early. The covid-19 outbreak is the largest acute infectious-disease emergency most of us have experienced. And we may have let it go undetected here for too long.

For countries that are lucky enough so far to have been spared large covid-19 outbreaks, the way to handle the virus is simple: Strangle it at birth. If you detect it while there are still just a handful of cases, it is comparatively easy to chase down the contacts of the people who have it, isolate them quickly and halt transmission. If that fails, stopping transmission might take measures like the draconian restrictions imposed in China, which — while apparently successful — we should wish to avoid.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...bbf_story.html
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TLO 11:16 AM 03-06-2020
Originally Posted by FD:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...bbf_story.html
WaPo has been driving the fear train from the start.
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FD 11:38 AM 03-06-2020

There have been more deaths in King County, Washington than in Beijing. https://t.co/pbGa52jnrI pic.twitter.com/0N2xRYFW4T

— Infectious Diseases (@InfectiousDz) March 6, 2020


The U.S. right now is acting like Wuhan did at the beginning of this last December, treating the virus as a PR problem that will go away if you ignore it as opposed to a real threat. China adjusted eventually but can we?
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suzzer99 11:40 AM 03-06-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
WaPo has been driving the fear train from the start.
Some fear might help stop the spread so that our medical facilities don't become overwhelmed. It's flat out dangerous to tell people everything is contained and this is just like the flu.
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SAGA45 11:44 AM 03-06-2020
From what Ive seen and been told by healthcare workers at both jobs...no children have been reported with virus not even in China which is a relief. Anybody heard different?
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TLO 11:45 AM 03-06-2020
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Some fear might help stop the spread so that our medical facilities don't become overwhelmed. It's flat out dangerous to tell people everything is contained and this is just like the flu.
It's also incredibly dangerous to panic everyone so they show up at the ER/doctor's office with seasonal allergies or a cold.
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TLO 11:47 AM 03-06-2020
Originally Posted by SAGA45:
From what Ive seen and been told by healthcare workers at both jobs...no children have been reported with virus not even in China which is a relief. Anybody heard different?
I believe there have been children infected in China but they had very mild illnesses.
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suzzer99 11:49 AM 03-06-2020
Originally Posted by SAGA45:
From what Ive seen and been told by healthcare workers at both jobs...no children have been reported with virus not even in China which is a relief. Anybody heard different?
Children haven't died - but they absolutely can catch the virus. I know one who just tested positive in SF (my friend's daughter oversees his after school program). The kid will probably be fine. But you don't want him coughing or sneezing on grandma.

And now my mom (70, has hypertension) is telling me about a kid who coughed on her yesterday in some volunteer thing she was doing. It probably hasn't hit KC yet. But when the first case is confirmed it will mean 100s if not 1000s are floating around out there.
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suzzer99 11:50 AM 03-06-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
It's also incredibly dangerous to panic everyone so they show up at the ER/doctor's office with seasonal allergies or a cold.
Most won't do that if you give them clear messaging and tell them to stay home.

We should be following what S. Korea is doing and what China did once they knew they had a real problem. Instead we're acting like China did around New Year's when they were hoping this would just go away.
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Fat Elvis 11:52 AM 03-06-2020
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
The media will do what it always does.


But, we have no idea how far and wide this has spread because the government cant get testing kits out to the public to confirm the coronavirus. Promised 1 million test kits by the end of the week. So far as of Friday morning, 75K.


If you dont even know how far and wide it has spread, you have no chance to contain the virus.
The briefing I was in on the 3rd said that they don't really expect to see much of an uptick in cases in the US until around 3.13.2020. It won't be until after then that we have any real handle of how widespread the virus is in the US. That said, if we aren't getting testing done in any reliable or consistent manner, what data we do have will be pretty worthless.
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TLO 11:55 AM 03-06-2020
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Most won't do that if you give them clear messaging and tell them to stay home.

We should be following what S. Korea is doing and what China did once they knew they had a real problem. Instead we're acting like China did around New Year's when they were hoping this would just go away.
Most of them are raiding every grocery store in town to stock up on fucking toilet paper. The American public scares the shit out of me.

I don't disagree with most of your takes in this thread, just be careful not to get drawn into your panic. I feel like we're both monitoring this ourselves with similar perspectives.
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TLO 12:01 PM 03-06-2020
The media is fanning the flames of panic surrounding the coronavirus outbreak, Dr. Drew Pinsky said Friday.

In an interview on "Fox & Friends" with hosts Jedediah Bila, Pete Hegseth, and Steve Doocy, Pinksy said that the panic surrounding the deadly virus is "far worse than the virus."

"Let the professionals whose job it is to contain pandemic do their job," he exclaimed. "They're doing an amazing job. Worldwide, the efforts and [effectiveness] of the organizations like the [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)] and the [World Health Organization (WHO)] has been remarkable and yet the media continue to take every effort to fan the flames of panic.

"Look, the WHO has said there's about a three percent fatality rate on this virus and every time they say that they always qualify it and say we expect it to drop a lot once we understand the full extent of the virus. ... It's among us. This is a flu season, everybody, There are 18,000 deaths from the flu," he continued.

"Why aren't we worried about that?" he asked. "Why isn't the message: get your flu shot? You're much more likely to die of the flu than the coronavirus."

"A local news agency in Los Angeles had...footage of a paramedic being dispatched to a cruise ship repeatedly all evening...and at the end, they go, 'Oh, by the way, there was a fight on a cruise ship. Somebody got injured,'" he recalled.

"And, you then, again, you saw the CDC press conference a couple of days ago where reporters were like, 'What are poor people supposed to do [with] the price of Purell?'" Pinsky added. "And, somebody stands up and goes, 'Wash your hands. It's far better.'

"So, wash your hands, disinfect everything, use your Clorox wipes, get your flu shot. Do all the things you're supposed to do in flu season," he advised.

On Friday, President Trump signed an $8.3 billion coronavirus spending bill to help combat the spread of the disease. To date, there have been at least 97,993 confirmed cases worldwide with over 3,300 deaths. The United States lays claim to 232 cases of the virus and 11 deaths have been recorded thus far.
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Mennonite 12:08 PM 03-06-2020
Who better to ask about a pandemic than the host of Loveline and Celebrity Rehab?
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suzzer99 12:35 PM 03-06-2020
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...avirus/607597/

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Oregon, situated between the California and Washington hot spots, can test only about 40 people a day. Texas has 16 positive cases, according to media reports, but the health department’s website still lists only three cases. The Texas Tribune has reported that the state can test approximately 30 people a day.

Other states can test even fewer. Hawaii can test fewer than 20 people a day, though it could double that number in an emergency, an official told us. Iowa has supplies to test about 500 patients a day. Arkansas, though not near a current known outbreak, is able to test only four or five patients a day.
Texas can only run 30 tests a day. If it breaks out in Texas or any of these other states you're never going to know until hospitals get overrun. Maybe that's by design.
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