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The Lounge>*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****
Dante84 07:19 PM 04-27-2017
IT ****ING HAPPENED



OP UPDATE:

Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy!
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Superturtle 09:21 AM 09-18-2018
Originally Posted by DRM08:
I think you might have to watch out for Dallas. Mahomes and his dad were big time Cowboy fans until the Chiefs drafted him. Sure as hell looks like Prescott is a game manager and they would probably love a chance to get Mahomes. Thatís a wild card that could force the Chiefs to max him out if they want to keep him.
:-)
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Best22 09:24 AM 09-18-2018
Originally Posted by DRM08:
I think you might have to watch out for Dallas. Mahomes and his dad were big time Cowboy fans until the Chiefs drafted him. Sure as hell looks like Prescott is a game manager and they would probably love a chance to get Mahomes. That’s a wild card that could force the Chiefs to max him out if they want to keep him.
Chiefs would pay max to keep Mahomes

This isn't the MLB

Also, if Mahomes goes to Dallas he'll get sacked and have nobody to throw to except an aging RB called Zeke
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DJ's left nut 09:25 AM 09-18-2018
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
Also, is there anybody here who would give a shit if we made his entire future contract extension fully guaranteed as a possible way to save some money? It's risky, I know, but I don't think there's any way at this point that he turns into a pumpkin unless he gets hurt.
Would he like weekends with my wife while he's at it?

I'm fully on the 'give him whatever the hell he wants' train.
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DRM08 09:26 AM 09-18-2018
Originally Posted by Best22:
Chiefs would pay max to keep Mahomes

This isn't the MLB

Also, if Mahomes goes to Dallas he'll get sacked and have nobody to throw to except an aging RB called Zeke
He made Albert Wilson look great. Anyway I am just saying I do not know if the Chiefs can get a discount in this situation. But Mahomes does want to win championships so who knows, maybe he would consider the Brady type discounts.
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Simply Red 09:27 AM 09-18-2018
Originally Posted by DRM08:
I think you might have to watch out for Dallas. Mahomes and his dad were big time Cowboy fans until the Chiefs drafted him. Sure as hell looks like Prescott is a game manager and they would probably love a chance to get Mahomes. Thatís a wild card that could force the Chiefs to max him out if they want to keep him.
I wouldn't worry about this.
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DJ's left nut 09:28 AM 09-18-2018
Originally Posted by DRM08:
I think you might have to watch out for Dallas. Mahomes and his dad were big time Cowboy fans until the Chiefs drafted him. Sure as hell looks like Prescott is a game manager and they would probably love a chance to get Mahomes. Thatís a wild card that could force the Chiefs to max him out if they want to keep him.
I think we often overestimate the impact of childhood loyalties with NFL players.

Sometimes it works out that way, yes. But Patrick Mahomes will be a God in this town. And one way or the other, he's our starting quarterback for the next 6 years. We'll unquestionably exercise the 5th year option and even if he doesn't extend, he'll get tagged twice.

So as a 29 yr old, grown-ass man who's been revered by this town for 7 years and has relationships with the coaches, teammates, media and fans - why should I be worried about the fact that he was a Cowboy fan as a kid? I just don't see a chance in hell that ends up being an issue.
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Best22 09:28 AM 09-18-2018
Originally Posted by DRM08:
He made Albert Wilson look great. Anyway I am just saying I do not know if the Chiefs can get a discount in this situation. But Mahomes does want to win championships so who knows, maybe he would consider the Brady type discounts.
I agree that a discount is unlikely. If Mahomes becomes elite he'll probably be very well compensated

But if the Chiefs failed to retain him, I'd have to find another team to root for

Also, if he has success in Dallas, he's just another Cowboy legend. If he finds huge success in KC, he will be the ultimate Chief
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Mecca 09:30 AM 09-18-2018
Aaron Rodgers was a 49ers fan growing up, that stuff is way to overblown.
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Best22 09:32 AM 09-18-2018
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Aaron Rodgers was a 49ers fan growing up, that stuff is way to overblown.
So was Brady.
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DRM08 09:33 AM 09-18-2018
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I think we often overestimate the impact of childhood loyalties with NFL players.

Sometimes it works out that way, yes. But Patrick Mahomes will be a God in this town. And one way or the other, he's our starting quarterback for the next 6 years. We'll unquestionably exercise the 5th year option and even if he doesn't extend, he'll get tagged twice.

So as a 29 yr old, grown-ass man who's been revered by this town for 7 years and has relationships with the coaches, teammates, media and fans - why should I be worried about the fact that he was a Cowboy fan as a kid? I just don't see a chance in hell that ends up being an issue.
Yeah I think he is extremely grateful to KC for investing all the time and money in him so far. If they want to win big, itís either gonna require a discount in his next contract or some amazing work by Veach to fix the defense through the Draft.
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ChiefsCountry 09:37 AM 09-18-2018
Dallas is an hour jet ride from Kansas City. He can go down there anytime he wants.
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FAX 09:42 AM 09-18-2018
Leigh Steinberg gave a nice interview the other day (you can find it on UToob) ...

One of the most interesting topics he discussed was the work they put in before the combine and the draft and the "qualities" they were looking for in the destination team. If you take his comments at face value (which I do), KC was the absolute perfect place for Mahomes and Steinberg's first choice.

Mahomes would have gone anywhere he was drafted, obviously, but KC appeared to be targeted.

Fascinating guy, that Steinberg.

FAX
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pugsnotdrugs19 09:46 AM 09-18-2018
KC is currently #1 in red zone offense. The place where we expected Mahomes to give us the most improvement in year one.
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DRM08 09:48 AM 09-18-2018
Originally Posted by FAX:
Leigh Steinberg gave a nice interview the other day (you can find it on UToob) ...

One of the most interesting topics he discussed was the work they put in before the combine and the draft and the "qualities" they were looking for in the destination team. If you take his comments at face value (which I do), KC was the absolute perfect place for Mahomes and Steinberg's first choice.

Mahomes would have gone anywhere he was drafted, obviously, but KC appeared to be targeted.

Fascinating guy, that Steinberg.

FAX
He was very lucky to avoid Cleveland/Buffalo, etc. Andy Reid, Matt Nagy, Kafka, Alex. Really great group of people for Mahomes to learn and grow into a pro QB.
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DJ's left nut 09:51 AM 09-18-2018
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Yeah, its going to be an issue in 3 more years. It may be up to $60 million a year by then. Whatever the $, we will pay it and wont have as much money to pay other players. Hopefully, we can fix the defense and win a Super Bowl before he starts eating up more of the cap.


I love this first world problem.
The good news is that Rodgers is already extended and I don't see anyone else re-setting the scale.

Luck is signed through 2021. Newton is due in 2020 but is he really going to get money that alters the QB landscape? Brady is perennial outlier, Ben is old, Brees is old.

So you look at Goff and Wentz as guys that will change the QB market - I don't see them pushing the scale that far, that fast. Rodgers just re-set the market with effectively 4 years/$125 million added to his deal (with another year or two that may not mean anything; they're palatable cap cuts).

So Rodgers is sitting at $31.25 in AAV and he's Aaron !@#$ing Rodgers. Even if he plays out his whole deal with the inflated figures at the back he's at $33.5 million in AAV.

I just can't see the scale getting rocket too far past that by the time Mahomes is due because some agent would have to walk into an NFL GM's office and credibly argue "my guy deserves to get paid more than Aaron Rodgers does" and that's a tough argument to make.

The cap will go up so the # will as well, but I'd say probably in the $40 million range and still around 15% of the total team cap.
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