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Now that the full 11-minute recording of Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill and his now former fiancee, Crystal Espinal, talking about violence in their relationship has been aired, many fans are saying wow, this changes everything.
It does? That Hill, who didn’t know Espinal was taping him, denies ever hitting her or their son in what he thought was a private conversation is neither surprising nor exculpatory.
Abusers typically tell not only the police but friends, family, therapists, priests and even themselves they’ve never done anything wrong.
And if anything, the fact that Hill now says he didn’t hit punch or choke Espinal in 2014 makes him look worse rather than better. He pleaded guilty to those charges, publicly apologized, went through extensive therapy and declared himself reformed after probation. If he’s now back to saying that none of this ever happened, that’s not just a lie but a worrying one.
“I didn’t touch you in 2014,” he says on the tape. “And put that on everything I love, bro. That’s the real truth.”
That Espinal isn’t screaming at him that no, it’s not the truth, real or otherwise, is taken by some supporters as proof that he is innocent.
But why a woman who has been injured by him before and he’s threatening to hurt again might not do that should be obvious.
When she instead repeatedly asks him where her bruises came from if he never hit her, he doesn’t answer because there isn’t an answer that he likes well enough to repeat.
On Thursday, Espinal filed a petition in Johnson County seeking a paternity test for their newborn twins. She has full custody of them — they live with her — and she is asking for child support and only supervised visits for Hill. Her lawyer in the matter is legal counsel for SAFEHOME, a Johnson County group that supports survivors of domestic violence.
The NFL, meanwhile, seems ready to let Hill off with a brief suspension because the legal case against him isn’t going anywhere, but these things are still true:
Hill’s son was removed from his home after a child abuse investigation was launched. The Johnson County district attorney said the 3-year-old child had been hurt, but he didn’t have enough proof to prosecute.
On the tape, we heard Hill threaten the mother of his children with physical violence: “You need to be scared of me, too, dumb bitch.” He berates and belittles, calls her “bro” and “bitch” and of course, claims she ruined his life.
Denial of all wrongdoing is so standard in abuse cases that just a look at Thursday’s Star provides other examples, including that of Scott Hacker, the now former Parkville police officer charged with domestic violence after allegedly shooting his gun inside his home, throwing the woman who called 911 onto the couch, grabbing her by the throat and blaming her for “ending his career” by calling for help. Both before and after the cops arrived, he said he hadn’t shot the gun or touched her. But oops: A security camera in the living room apparently recorded the assault.
What Espinal was trying to get was the audio equivalent of that video.
If the NFL lets Hill back on the field this season, it will send the message that making threats and showing you’ve learned nothing from probation is no real problem, as long as you can run fast enough. The help he needs is not more denial, but just the opposite.
To the rest of you who are intent on seeing Hill as the victim, KCTV as a villain for not immediately releasing the full tape, and Espinal as a “manipulator” for wanting evidence to back her up in court, we could suggest some reading on the well-researched subject of abuse. But why, when you seem to prefer not to know?
Losing newspapers in this day and age isn't going to change anything. The ability to disseminate information through other more cost effective measures is there.
As for your particular claim:
From what I read it seems the FBI as of 02/19 wasn't interested in talking to the mayor? But did question CC members.
So yea, they covered it.
Yeah, an amazing scoop covering something that has been on the news multiple times.
Where were they when the shady deals like Rockwood were going down? Nothing. But I guess after several tv special stories on the corruption along with a year of FB and social media covering it, they decided to chime in. Nice work. Real gumshoes! :-)
The Star really nailed the Reek story they made up too!! [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Na, that's absolute bullshit. Pick up an actual, physical paper sometime. 90% of it is unexciting, but that's the problem. No TV station or national news station is going to report on most of it.
The Examiner does a nice job covering High School sports and that is about it.
The KC Star can't even do that without throwing in their SJW opinions. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Halfcan:
Yeah, an amazing scoop covering something that has been on the news multiple times.
Where were they when the shady deals like Rockwood were going down? Nothing. But I guess after several tv special stories on the corruption along with a year of FB and social media covering it, they decided to chime in. Nice work. Real gumshoes! :-)
The Star really nailed the Reek story they made up too!!
Don't know anything about Rockwood. Don't live in the area and so it doesn't interest me. But you're known for not being informed on much of anything and this shows that to be true. Again.
I'm not defending the Reek story or the examiner. Although I understand your need to move the goalposts.
Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish:
Don't know anything about Rockwood. Don't live in the area and so it doesn't interest me. But you're known for not being informed on much of anything and this shows that to be true. Again.
I'm not defending the Reek story or the examiner. Although I understand your need to move the goalposts.
It just shows that you're a halfwit.
Exactly, you don't live here and don't know wtf you are talking about.
Bringing up Reek is not moving the goalpost dumbass- that is the reason most on here turned against the Star.
I have lived here my entire life. I had a paper route as a kid throwing the Examiner. The quality of both papers has declined as the price has gone up. Their biased spin on the news has also turned folks away.
Since you really know nothing on the topic and only want to chime in to be a dick- kindly fuck off and go read your paper while you still can. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Halfcan:
Exactly, you don't live here and don't know wtf you are talking about.
Bringing up Reek is not moving the goalpost dumbass- that is the reason most on here turned against the Star.
I have lived here my entire life. I had a paper route as a kid throwing the Examiner. The quality of both papers has declined as the price has gone up. Their biased spin on the news has also turned folks away.
Since you really know nothing on the topic and only want to chime in to be a dick- kindly **** off and go read your paper while you still can. :-)
So, both papers covered it, you say they didn't and then use the reek story as some kind of cover.
I thought it was hilarious when after they took heat for their defamation shit with tyreek, they started to charge for their online content. LOL. Fuck them. Good riddance
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I get the hate for the Star, but it'd be pretty sad if Kansas City lost its only daily newspaper.
The Star could survive if they would return to being a news paper and not a political vehicle. They have destroyed every local paper they bought up like the Cass County paper, and the news coverage is poor and incomplete, the best part has been the sports section but its in decline and the editorial section is never balanced.
I loved the paper for so many years but once we gave it up, it has never been missed.
Maybe they will take time to reflect on how they lost the only thing of value....readership [Reply]
Originally Posted by RetiredSeniorChief:
Printed newspapers are a 15th century invention that is going the way of the 8-track tape.
I see that you're retired and surely remember when it was our only form of information. I still love the old paper medium myself. Something I can relax with in the tub or on the throne.
To this day I get the paper versions of many papers/magazines. There's just something about the nostalgia to it. That and the fact that I can get it wet and not worry about shorting out my $600 phone or getting electrocuted.
But even my 89 y/o dad had given the old papers a boot before he passed away. I went to visit him and looked around for the paper. I couldn't believe he used his laptop instead.
Oh well. It's a sad state IMO. And even worse that yet another piece of our culture has crumbled away. [Reply]
Well shit, I bit on the 5.00 SB newspaper, just wanted to have it as a souvenir...it has been confirmed as ordered, but has not been sent yet. That was 11 days ago... [Reply]
