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The Lounge>****Official 2019 Missouri Tigers Football Thread****
'Hamas' Jenkins 06:48 AM 08-31-2019
The 2019 season brings uncertainty, as the protracted appeal over a ridiculous "scandal" with a single actor still has not been resolved. On the field, Mizzou faces what appears to be a much easier schedule than in years' past. The early season is loaded with home games before a protracted road stretch from mid-October through November.


Schedule:


Spoiler!


Recruiting:

Spoiler!


Hamas' Crystal ball sees a lot of variance. I could see this team winning as few as 7 and as many as 10 games. Georgia is the only certain loss. Florida is likely still overrated by name, but time will tell.

Official prediction: 9-3. Recruiting prediction: slightly disappointing


FIRE ODOM. NOW
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siberian khatru 06:44 AM Today
PMís latest Hot Board:

Monken, Blake Anderson, Jay Norvell, Fritz, Skip Holtz, Calhoun, McElwain.

Good Lord. McElwain looks like Nick Saban compared to the others.
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duncan_idaho 07:29 AM Today
I donít understand why Dave Clawson has gotten so little attention.

If youíre not hiring flashy - and none of these names are flashy - why not look at a guy who has shown he can build a program when at a resource disadvantage?
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Superturtle 07:52 AM Today
Is there any realistic chance Sterk is fired before he buries the AD even further?
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siberian khatru 08:01 AM Today
I could see in the next 2-4 years Mizzou needing a new AD, new basketball coach, AND another new football coach.
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DJ's left nut 08:24 AM Today
Originally Posted by siberian khatru:
TWO service academies!
And of course the PD floats the trial balloon this morning...

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/coll...mpression=true
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OmahaChief 09:25 AM Today
If they hire any of the guys outside of McElwain that are on Power Mizzou's latest hot list deer season will be season long. Nobody is excited by that list of turds. I hate the McElwain idea but compared to the rest of the list he is Saban.
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DJ's left nut 09:41 AM Today
Originally Posted by OmahaChief:
If they hire any of the guys outside of McElwain that are on Power Mizzou's latest hot list deer season will be season long. Nobody is excited by that list of turds. I hate the McElwain idea but compared to the rest of the list he is Saban.
And everyone fucking HATES him.

I mean Jesus, Sterk - did you miss every possible lesson to be learned here? You have to do something to get fans interested. You have to have a program that's exciting and engaging.

And Jim McElwain is an ASSHOLE. He'll lose the press conferences just as badly, if not worse, than Odom did. Fans will hate him. The media will hate him.

On a list of terrible candidates, he stands out as perhaps being the best raw coach and yet somehow the least likely to make this program something anyone wants to actually bother with.

Whatever. However this ends, Sterk's been exposed. He's a risk-averse chickenshit with no finger on the pulse of the fans at all. He's been a good fundraiser but this guy doesn't know dick about assembling a football team.

He'll make his hire and 2-3 years from now this whole thing gets blown apart.
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DJ's left nut 09:50 AM Today
Christ Sterk, have you forgotten that the McElwain era Gators were essentially the Odom era Tigers? His offenses were AWFUL.

Take every one of Odom's warts and McElwain !@#$ING HAS THEM!!

Seriously, give me one inch of distinction between McElwain and Odom. Where do they differ, even in the margins? They're the same goddamn guy except that McElwain got to recruit from a home base in Florida. That's it.

And he's presently being touted as the 'best' possible option. Which tells you a ton about the rest of them.

I think Calhoun's the only guy on that list I can even attempt to make an argument for. And it's a bad one at that. This is fucking pathetic.
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siberian khatru 11:09 AM Today
This is a really good take-down of McElwain: https://www.rockmnation.com/2019-miz...w-jim-mcelwain

Note: He's an Odom-esque 9-22 vs. teams with winning records. (Actually I think Barry was 3-24 or something, but still.)

Also full disclosure: I live in Florida and have a son who is a junior at UF. DJ is right: The fans hated McElwain and couldn't wait to dump him.
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Jerm 11:27 AM Today
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Christ Sterk, have you forgotten that the McElwain era Gators were essentially the Odom era Tigers? His offenses were AWFUL.

Take every one of Odom's warts and McElwain !@#$ING HAS THEM!!

Seriously, give me one inch of distinction between McElwain and Odom. Where do they differ, even in the margins? They're the same goddamn guy except that McElwain got to recruit from a home base in Florida. That's it.

And he's presently being touted as the 'best' possible option. Which tells you a ton about the rest of them.

I think Calhoun's the only guy on that list I can even attempt to make an argument for. And it's a bad one at that. This is fucking pathetic.
Eh I know people don't like McElwain but to say he's no different than Barry...? Come on.

22-16 in the SEC, won the East twice, then took a 1-11 Central Michigan team and now has them in the MAC Championship game.

Odom isn't even close....
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DJ's left nut 11:29 AM Today
Originally Posted by siberian khatru:
This is a really good take-down of McElwain: https://www.rockmnation.com/2019-miz...w-jim-mcelwain

Note: He's an Odom-esque 9-22 vs. teams with winning records. (Actually I think Barry was 3-24 or something, but still.)

Also full disclosure: I live in Florida and have a son who is a junior at UF. DJ is right: The fans hated McElwain and couldn't wait to dump him.
Yup - that's pretty much spot on.

McElwain is an older, dumber, less likeable version of the guy we just fired. You can point to just about anyone else on that list and draw some kind of distinction between that guy and Odom and say "well THIS is why we liked him over Barry..."

You simply cannot do that with McElwain. He's the worst possible hire I've seen thus far if for no other reason than he's simply a less attractive version of the guy we just canned. And significantly so.

There is ZERO justification for hiring Jim McEwlain. None at all. Other than declarative statements like "Man, he's less dumb than Fritz" (which I don't even believe to be true) there's simply no argument to make in his favor.

He will not make the games more enjoyable to watch - he never has. He will not energize the fanbase. He will not excite the donors. He will not build the program for the next guy. He will not recruit at an elite level. He will not present anything new on offense.

The nicest thing you can say is that he might not sabotage the defense. But if that was your goal, just keep Odom.

There is nothing about Jim McElwain that makes him a good hire. There's not even anything that makes him a less bad hire than any of those other piles of shit on the list. Not a single fucking thing.

Hiring McElwain will prove that Sterk has learned absolutely nothing. Y'know what, that's not even accurate - INTERVIEWING McElwain has proved that Sterk has learned absolutely nothing.

This is wholly unacceptable.
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DJ's left nut 11:32 AM Today
Originally Posted by Jerm:
Eh I know people don't like McElwain but to say he's no different than Barry...? Come on.

22-16 in the SEC, won the East twice, then took a 1-11 Central Michigan team and now has them in the MAC Championship game.

Odom isn't even close....
It's. The. MAC.

Who cares?

And he went 22-16 in the SEC because he was recruiting in Florida to a bunch of kids that want to go to an SEC school and had a chance to stay home to do it. My god, the talent pool that guy can pick from is unreal. The natural advantages that UF has are incredible.

Odom's probably BETTER than McElwain. McElwain is dogshit.
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O.city 11:46 AM Today
So as an outside observer, I gotta ask.

As a non blue blood power 5 school, what were you guys really expecting? Not shitting on anyone, my pops is a tried and true Tiger fan, so I hear about it all the time.

But what was the expected outcome here coach wise?
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DJ's left nut 12:01 PM Today
Originally Posted by O.city:
So as an outside observer, I gotta ask.

As a non blue blood power 5 school, what were you guys really expecting? Not shitting on anyone, my pops is a tried and true Tiger fan, so I hear about it all the time.

But what was the expected outcome here coach wise?
If you can't pry the guy away from Boise State, what the fuck are you even doing here?

We're not even in the running for dudes from Memphis or Louisiana.

Bottom line is that if you look at the list of coaches we're pursuing - an SEC School with top shelf facilities, a solid recruiting base and no clear rival in the state - our list isn't any better than a school like Southern Florida - a bottom tier school in the American Athletic Conference.

What in the actual fuck is that?

What Mizzou SHOULD be able to do, if the program wasn't a fucking tire fire, is go after PJ Fleck. Yeah, Fleck's had an amazing year at MN but it's still Minnesota. Mizzou is a BETTER job than Minnesota. At least it damn well should be. And maybe it doesn't happen; that kind of move is awfully difficult to pull off. But they should be able to force a conversation there.
They should be able to get his attention. They should be in the running for guys like Fleck or Campbell. Then if needed they should get their pick of the litter from the group of guys like Harsin, Norvell or Fickell if the big game hunting fails them.

But they're a full tier down from there. MAYBE. Harsin/Norvell/Fickell is a tier they hope to get an interview with and then they settle with warmed over dogshit like Jim McElwain and a bunch of service academy guys.

Again - that's the kind of stuff I expect from Southern Florida. That's what I figure Memphis will have to do. That's not okay for an SEC school with these facilities and advantages.
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Jerm 12:02 PM Today
Blake Anderson is a name picking up steam....oh boy hooray....
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