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Nzoner's Game Room>*** Official 2019 Kansas City Royals Repository ***
Mama Hip Rockets 08:06 AM 03-28-2019
Get the offseason thread out of here. It's on!

Opening day roster:

Catchers (2): Cam Gallagher, Martin Maldonado

Infielders (7): Hunter Dozier, Lucas Duda, Whit Merrifield, Adalberto Mondesi, Ryan O’Hearn, Chris Owings, Frank Schwindel

Outfielders (4): Alex Gordon, Terrance Gore, Billy Hamilton, Jorge Soler

Starting pitchers (3): Jakob Junis, Brad Keller, Jorge Lopez

Relief pitchers (9): Scott Barlow, Brad Boxberger, Jake Diekman, Chris Ellis, Tim Hill, Ian Kennedy, Kevin McCarthy, Wily Peralta, Kyle Zimmer

Injured list: Danny Duffy, Brian Flynn, Jesse Hahn, Salvador Perez

Suspended: Eric Skoglund
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duncan_idaho 06:56 PM 07-07-2019
Singer had two Ks. One was against Nolan Gorman, the guy the Cardinals took directly after Singer last year (who started out on fire but has struggled at High A).
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KChiefs1 08:00 PM 07-07-2019
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Gore is untouchable.



Patino as the centerpiece instead of Urias would work tho.

Patino looked good tonight.
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duncan_idaho 08:13 PM 07-07-2019
Originally Posted by KChiefs1:
Patino looked good tonight.

He might be untouchable too.
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Al Bundy 09:26 PM 07-07-2019

So.........

Rave to Lexington.
Lee not in NWA’s lineup.
Phillips not in Omaha’s lineup.

97% coincidence? https://t.co/46rJjFnTXN

— Royals Farm Report (@RoyalsFarm) July 8, 2019


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duncan_idaho 09:40 PM 07-07-2019
Originally Posted by Al Bundy:

Would guess this means Phillips to KC, replacing Gore, and Lee to Omaha.

Lee had a great June (power, OBP, defense) but still an aggressive promotion for him.
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dallaschiefsfan 09:42 AM 07-08-2019
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Would guess this means Phillips to KC, replacing Gore, and Lee to Omaha.

Lee had a great June (power, OBP, defense) but still an aggressive promotion for him.
While I'm doubtful Lee wins RF outright in ST '20, I'm really hoping his development indicates he'll be in KC at some point next summer. And Kower...goodness...he hits KC next Summer as well, right? Singer as well.

I'm curious...what do you make of the resurgence of prospects that had fallen off the radar vs. guys that were expected to take next steps this year. It feels like for every Pratto and Melendez disappointment, there are a few pleasant surprises. Nobody saw Dozier doing what he's doing. Gutierrez always had the glove, but his bat has been surprising for me. Is Cuthy a prospect again? Dini is a surprise to me as well. Starling, of course. (EDIT: How did I forget Cancel? Another one I didn't see coming). It feels like the "next wave" is much more of a mix of prior prospects and the '18 pitchers than the 2019 Wilmington wave we were expecting. It just seems like it's bee a weird/unexpected year with the Royals' minor leagues.
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FringeNC 09:43 AM 07-08-2019
Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan:
While I'm doubtful Lee wins RF outright in ST '20, I'm really hoping his development indicates he'll be in KC at some point next summer. And Kower...goodness...he hits KC next Summer as well, right? Singer as well.

I'm curious...what do you make of the resurgence of prospects that had fallen off the radar vs. guys that were expected to take next steps this year. It feels like for every Pratto and Melendez disappointment, there are a few pleasant surprises. Nobody saw Dozier doing what he's doing. Gutierrez always had the glove, but his bat has been surprising for me. Is Cuthy a prospect again? Dini is a surprise to me as well. Starling, of course. It feels like the "next wave" is much more of a mix of prior prospects and the '18 pitchers than the 2019 Wilmington wave we were expecting. It just seems like it's bee a weird/unexpected year with the Royals' minor leagues.
Lee won't play center?
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dallaschiefsfan 09:55 AM 07-08-2019
Originally Posted by FringeNC:
Lee won't play center?
He can...but I think most people believe he'll land in RF at the MLB level. I'm guessing Starling gets first shot at CF next year. His defense alone is helpful for pitchers. If he can contribute there, he'll have a decent leash on his offense.
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Titty Meat 10:18 AM 07-08-2019
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
All about getting the right price in return.

And while those three have been disappointing, Lee, Igliotto, and Isbel have not. Gabe Cancel is also someone worth watching (2B leading the Texas league in HR and 2B, very Jonathan Schoop-ish).
What difference does it make regarding the "right" price? He will be 34 by the time they compete. Should have done that with Duffy & Perez too.
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duncan_idaho 10:59 AM 07-08-2019
Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan:
He can...but I think most people believe he'll land in RF at the MLB level. I'm guessing Starling gets first shot at CF next year. His defense alone is helpful for pitchers. If he can contribute there, he'll have a decent leash on his offense.

Lee projects as an average CF but his speed and range and arm would make him an above-average RF. Would also guess Starling starts 2020 as the everyday CF unless he’s just awful at the plate when he gets called up this year.

Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan:
While I'm doubtful Lee wins RF outright in ST '20, I'm really hoping his development indicates he'll be in KC at some point next summer. And Kower...goodness...he hits KC next Summer as well, right? Singer as well.

I'm curious...what do you make of the resurgence of prospects that had fallen off the radar vs. guys that were expected to take next steps this year. It feels like for every Pratto and Melendez disappointment, there are a few pleasant surprises. Nobody saw Dozier doing what he's doing. Gutierrez always had the glove, but his bat has been surprising for me. Is Cuthy a prospect again? Dini is a surprise to me as well. Starling, of course. (EDIT: How did I forget Cancel? Another one I didn't see coming). It feels like the "next wave" is much more of a mix of prior prospects and the '18 pitchers than the 2019 Wilmington wave we were expecting. It just seems like it's bee a weird/unexpected year with the Royals' minor leagues.

If Lee is pushed to Omaha now, it puts him on easy track for a June/July promotion to the majors next year, assuming he has success with the bat at Omaha.

Kowar seems to be starting to put it together. He reminds me a lot of Michael Wacha - mid-90s heat, great changeup, and an iffy breaking ball. He has shown some progress with it, which is encouraging. If he can get that to being a usable pitch against RH hitters, it helps him a bunch.

I don’t know that midseason next year happens - he needs to make it through Omaha - but it’s possible.

I’ve said a bunch that prospect development, especially for hitters, is not a linear progression all the time. Dozier and Starling are perhaps examples of that.

Cuthbert is a non-prospect and is a AAAA guy unless he shows a lot more.

I’m intrigued by Dini’s power profile.

As for Melendez, Matias, and Pratto, there’s no sugar coating the worrying about their start to this year. Both Pratto and Melendez started putting things together in June, though the K rate is still alarmingly high. There’s still hope there if they keep that up through year end.

Cancel is under the radar, but if he can stick at 2B his bat is useful. Any time you lead your league in HR it’s encouraging, and that’s what he is doing. I mentioned Jon Schoop as a potential comparison not sure Cancel has that type of arm to let him stick at 2B.

Kyle Isbel is back and raking. He looks like a real 3rd round steal thus far. Same with Gigliotti.

It’s encouraging to see the Royals land some hitters in later rounds that are producing and becoming interesting. They haven’t done that before without going overslot.

I think they’ve really hit a nice formula focusing on college arms and bats the past few years. They also have shifted to looking for HS guys with more polished plate skills. It’s working, IMO.

I’m hoping we see Pena at Idaho Falls this summer (they did that with Mondesi). I’m anxious to get some pro scouting and video on him.

I think it’s going to be a top 1/2 system by year end, especially if Isbel continues to crush the ball. He’ll make it into top 100 lists and Lee, Kowar, Singer, Lynch, Bubic, all have cases as well. Witt will likely get in just based on his draft position, too. And McConnell has debuted well enough to have a shot.
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duncan_idaho 11:08 AM 07-08-2019
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
What difference does it make regarding the "right" price? He will be 34 by the time they compete. Should have done that with Duffy & Perez too.

Because there’s no point in trading really good players for marginal returns. Trading players like Merrifield or Perez in a trade built around a back 25 of the top 100 prospect is just a roll of the dice. Once you’re outside the top 25-30 prospects, the bust rate is super high.

Bonifacio, Cuthbert, Chris Dwyer, Seuly Matias ... all guys who ranked in that area at one point. Colon, too.

Merrifield is on an incredibly team-friendly deal and has a good shot at being a 1.5-2 win player at ages 33 and 34.

If all teams aren’t offering a return commensurate with his skills, then wait until someone does. The Royals don’t need to add depth pieces to their system. They need to add impact talent. Merrifield dan and should command that.

Trading guys for the best package you can get right now because you’ve decided you have to trade them is a great way to sell low and get returns that leave naysayers bashing trades in hindsight.
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tk13 01:01 PM 07-08-2019
Whit is such a good hitter I wouldn't be surprised if he's still a good hitter at 34 or 35. It's highly likely he won't be a big base stealer by then, but given he's less a power guy and more of an old school .300 hitter type, he may very well still be good.

It's easy to compare him to Zobrist because they were both late bloomers who play all over the field, and Zobrist helped us win a World Series at 34. Same kind of thing, Zobrist wasn't a base stealer anymore but he was a machine at the plate.

Plus Whit is super cheap. I really think you have to get multiple top prospects otherwise it doesn't make sense.
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FringeNC 01:11 PM 07-08-2019
Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan:
He can...but I think most people believe he'll land in RF at the MLB level. I'm guessing Starling gets first shot at CF next year. His defense alone is helpful for pitchers. If he can contribute there, he'll have a decent leash on his offense.
I know our pitching sucks, but so does our ability to hit for power. At this point, is it really likely Starling will hit major league pitching? I mean he'll hit better than Hamilton, but a 46-year old Neifi Perez could, too. Starling should have been called up a month ago -- I' rooting for the guy, but...
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Prison Bitch 02:10 PM 07-08-2019
65 players ever had a 50 wRC+ or lower as a regular. 13,018 player seasons. Hamilton is at 50. Nice job Dayton, nice pickup you klutz. At least we won’t bring up Bubba, he might not hit
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KChiefs1 11:04 PM 07-08-2019
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Because there’s no point in trading really good players for marginal returns. Trading players like Merrifield or Perez in a trade built around a back 25 of the top 100 prospect is just a roll of the dice. Once you’re outside the top 25-30 prospects, the bust rate is super high.

Bonifacio, Cuthbert, Chris Dwyer, Seuly Matias ... all guys who ranked in that area at one point. Colon, too.

Then there is really no point in trading Whit. Most teams won’t trade top 25 prospects & with Whit being a proven all-star on a team friendly deal...we would need one of those guys.
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