Originally Posted by Kiimosabi:
And some industries, like coal and petroleum, will do everything in their power to remain relevant as long as possible. Including spreading disinformation and lobbying congressmen and women. Acting like it isn't happening so we can keep strip-mining, drilling and perpetuating coal and natural gas industries is ridiculously short-sided. Ending our reliance on fossil fuels benefits this country in ways that both Republicans and Democrats can appreciate.
But you're going to have to excuse me for being angry about it when Trump waltzes in and assigns a climate change-denier as the head of the mother fucking EPA and he predictably shits the bed. See that's going backwards.
Then you look at a company like VW that is overhauling their entire fleet to be electric and that's the kind of bold risk-taking that is necessary.
Energy companies have been fighting it for a long time now...
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Exxon Knew about Climate Change almost 40 years ago
A new investigation shows the oil company understood the science before it became a public issue and spent millions to promote misinformation
Originally Posted by Fish:
With ice core data, scientists can determine the climate hundreds of thousands of years ago. Why do you think that doesn't constitute science? Do you really believe NASA is in the propaganda business?
Well, they're sure as fuck not in the space business anymore. Nice to know they're keeping busy doing something.
If only we could find a way to make those icky rockets green, maybe our astronauts wouldn't need to hitchhike into the space with the Russians. [Reply]
The central point is a Catch 22.
It's not the 'the market' fixes everything.
But the argument from advocates is that there is consensus and there is demand and there is capability.
If those three things are in fact the way advocates represent, there is no barrier to a free market explosion from private interests providing a need.
But advocates also argue that this must be done by government because the market is incapable.
This argument stems from two strains of thought.
First is that the existing energy industry has a false monolopy and is somehow stopping energy entreprenualism. This is largely the land of unfounded conspiracy, and to the extent it actually is accurate is actually a function of the lack of demand at an alternative price point.
The second is the dire predictions that we are too far gone for anything but swift and determined universal action. But the solutions don't face that head-on. No one is seriously proposing a return to horse and buggy, or international compulsion, or population restriction or culling.
Everyone wants a cheap, painless path to avert destruction without changing anything we personally find important. And they think if they make government take care of it, government will come up with a way to make OTHER PEOPLE pay the painful part. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Fish:
With ice core data, scientists can determine the climate hundreds of thousands of years ago. Why do you think that doesn't constitute science? Do you really believe NASA is in the propaganda business?
Oooooooooo, nice sky pie listing. Any of that shit moved beyond the "kicking it around" phase yet?
In the meantime, our alleged space organization can't put in American in orbit without foreign assistance, much less send him (or her!) anywhere else. But apparently that's okay. Do you need a Russian to jerk you off a bit before you get wood? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Frazod:
Oooooooooo, nice sky pie listing. Any of that shit moved beyond the "kicking it around" phase yet?
You should follow the link and find out for yourself. Each of the projects have individual webpages.
Originally Posted by Frazod:
In the meantime, our alleged space organization can't put in American in orbit without foreign assistance, much less send him (or her!) anywhere else. But apparently that's okay. Do you need a Russian to jerk you off a bit before you get wood?
Well, I wish NASA had better funding too. But it is what it is. During the campaign, Trump was actually calling for lowering the funding that NASA currently receives. But ended up abandoning the funding decrease. Thank goodness... [Reply]
I mean, I don't see how you can dispute climate change, I just don't see why anyone cares. We are not immortal. My goal is to shit all over this Earth before I die. This is my nightmare. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RedRaider56:
All we have to do is keep cows from farting.. Everything will be good
Welp, we have scientist who can tell us exactly what the temp was before there were thermometers, and that we all came from a ball of Goo (maybe not who/what invented the Goo, or who made what the Goo was floating around in), but they can't stop a cow from farting... [Reply]
