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The Lounge>*** Official 2019 Kansas City Royals Repository ***
Mama Hip Rockets 08:06 AM 03-28-2019
Get the offseason thread out of here. It's on!

Opening day roster:

Catchers (2): Cam Gallagher, Martin Maldonado

Infielders (7): Hunter Dozier, Lucas Duda, Whit Merrifield, Adalberto Mondesi, Ryan O’Hearn, Chris Owings, Frank Schwindel

Outfielders (4): Alex Gordon, Terrance Gore, Billy Hamilton, Jorge Soler

Starting pitchers (3): Jakob Junis, Brad Keller, Jorge Lopez

Relief pitchers (9): Scott Barlow, Brad Boxberger, Jake Diekman, Chris Ellis, Tim Hill, Ian Kennedy, Kevin McCarthy, Wily Peralta, Kyle Zimmer

Injured list: Danny Duffy, Brian Flynn, Jesse Hahn, Salvador Perez

Suspended: Eric Skoglund
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Three7s 12:34 PM 04-06-2019
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Hes a smaller OF with good raw power. The 5-tool talk is legitimate.

He might be a little bit of a stretch in CF for the K, but hes someone who could be an incredibly plus corner guy there.

He has had good plate discipline throughout his minor league career, with good walk rates. Two years ago, he struck out a bunch. Last year, he really cut his K rate but it sapped some power.

Hes probably a 15-20 HR guy playing for the Royals, but he runs well enough to steal 20+ bases.
Sounds like a slightly slower version of Cain.
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dlphg9 01:15 PM 04-06-2019
Dear God why not just bring up Nicky Lopez? What is the fucking obsession with trash like Chris Owings? Did he promise to never look at porn if he could start every day? It's not like Nicky Lopez is really young, he's 24. He played 57 games in AAA last year and had a .781 OPS. He's better than Chris Owings in every aspect of the game.

So is the plan to just run Owings out there every single day as long as he's able to get a hit every 3 or 4 games? I know its a hot take, but I don't think this organization makes the post season again with DM as our GM. Yeah he brought us a championship, but he had a really good couple year stretch and lucked into this dominant bullpen and hit on a couple of draft picks, but other than that he has been trash. Now go ahead and tell me how wrong I am.
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duncan_idaho 01:46 PM 04-06-2019
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Dear God why not just bring up Nicky Lopez? What is the ****ing obsession with trash like Chris Owings? Did he promise to never look at porn if he could start every day? It's not like Nicky Lopez is really young, he's 24. He played 57 games in AAA last year and had a .781 OPS. He's better than Chris Owings in every aspect of the game.

So is the plan to just run Owings out there every single day as long as he's able to get a hit every 3 or 4 games? I know its a hot take, but I don't think this organization makes the post season again with DM as our GM. Yeah he brought us a championship, but he had a really good couple year stretch and lucked into this dominant bullpen and hit on a couple of draft picks, but other than that he has been trash. Now go ahead and tell me how wrong I am.
Nicky Lopez isn't on the 40 man roster and has all of 150 ABs at the AAA level. There's no need to rush him onto this team, which isn't going anywhere, anyway.

You're complaining about Owings justifiably, but for the wrong player. Owings and Duda shouldn't be playing in lieu of Dozier or O'Hearn, period. The Royals need to let those two just play and see what happens.

Moore did far more than you're giving him credit for. He completely overhauled the organization top-to-bottom. They had a pathetic presence in Latin America and pathetic scouting staff before Moore. He convinced Glass to invest in the major league roster as well as the minor league system as well. They started popping legit talent from Latin America for the first time. Ever.

He completely overmade the entire org.

You don't build a minor league system with the depth and quality the Royals did by getting lucky with a few high picks. And that "lucked into" bullpen? Featured 2 home grown guys who were relievers the whole way (Herrera and Holland), a guy acquired in trade with an eye on knowing his floor was as an elite back-end arm (Davis) and guys picked up on the cheap (Madson) or converted to the pen (Hochevar).

Moore also nailed several moves to make the 2014 and 2015 and 2013 teams happen. Trades. Small FA signings.

Moore and his staff need to improve their player development pipeline. I'd grade their first five years as excellent in terms of developing the minors, the middle five years as below average, and the past two as trending back in the right direction.

I'm not certain he'll put together a consistent winner in Kansas City again. It's hard to do. There are some quirks that make you wonder about him repeating what he did before, but he still deserves a lot more credit than you gave him here.
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BigCatDaddy 01:52 PM 04-06-2019
Probably best to check out until next year with this pen. I think most of the fan base already has.
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Discuss Thrower 01:55 PM 04-06-2019
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Nicky Lopez isn't on the 40 man roster and has all of 150 ABs at the AAA level. There's no need to rush him onto this team, which isn't going anywhere, anyway.

You're complaining about Owings justifiably, but for the wrong player. Owings and Duda shouldn't be playing in lieu of Dozier or O'Hearn, period. The Royals need to let those two just play and see what happens.

Moore did far more than you're giving him credit for. He completely overhauled the organization top-to-bottom. They had a pathetic presence in Latin America and pathetic scouting staff before Moore. He convinced Glass to invest in the major league roster as well as the minor league system as well. They started popping legit talent from Latin America for the first time. Ever.

He completely overmade the entire org.

You don't build a minor league system with the depth and quality the Royals did by getting lucky with a few high picks. And that "lucked into" bullpen? Featured 2 home grown guys who were relievers the whole way (Herrera and Holland), a guy acquired in trade with an eye on knowing his floor was as an elite back-end arm (Davis) and guys picked up on the cheap (Madson) or converted to the pen (Hochevar).

Moore also nailed several moves to make the 2014 and 2015 and 2013 teams happen. Trades. Small FA signings.

Moore and his staff need to improve their player development pipeline. I'd grade their first five years as excellent in terms of developing the minors, the middle five years as below average, and the past two as trending back in the right direction.

I'm not certain he'll put together a consistent winner in Kansas City again. It's hard to do. There are some quirks that make you wonder about him repeating what he did before, but he still deserves a lot more credit than you gave him here.
Yeah but fuck all that and disregard the fact the MLB has the smallest playoff field in all major American sports.

FIRE DAYTON.



(.. which honestly I'd get behind that statement if [when] Matheny replaces Neddard Snark as skipper)
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duncan_idaho 02:20 PM 04-06-2019
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Yeah but fuck all that and disregard the fact the MLB has the smallest playoff field in all major American sports.



FIRE DAYTON.







(.. which honestly I'd get behind that statement if [when] Matheny replaces Neddard Snark as skipper)

Dont forget to mention it has the greater economic disparity and small market teams have the hardest road.
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ROYC75 05:02 PM 04-06-2019
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
I'm not certain he'll put together a consistent winner in Kansas City again. It's hard to do. There are some quirks that make you wonder about him repeating what he did before, but he still deserves a lot more credit than you gave him here.
I usually agree and respect everything you say about the Royals. The whole post was spot on, DM does have his work cut out for him. The farm is not loaded with talent, but it's not as bad as 1 would think. It's just going to take sometime to continue to bring the talent along,something many here doesn't want to do.

I do think DM can provide a consistent winner if you are looking at it in a 3 yr /10 yr window. But he is going to have to continue to draft well, PU on some veteran talent to mix as he did in 2014-2016 window.

IMHO, as a small market team with a larger portion of bandwagon fans, I just don't think we should expect anything better that this.
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dlphg9 10:34 PM 04-06-2019
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Nicky Lopez isn't on the 40 man roster and has all of 150 ABs at the AAA level. There's no need to rush him onto this team, which isn't going anywhere, anyway.

You're complaining about Owings justifiably, but for the wrong player. Owings and Duda shouldn't be playing in lieu of Dozier or O'Hearn, period. The Royals need to let those two just play and see what happens.

Moore did far more than you're giving him credit for. He completely overhauled the organization top-to-bottom. They had a pathetic presence in Latin America and pathetic scouting staff before Moore. He convinced Glass to invest in the major league roster as well as the minor league system as well. They started popping legit talent from Latin America for the first time. Ever.

He completely overmade the entire org.

You don't build a minor league system with the depth and quality the Royals did by getting lucky with a few high picks. And that "lucked into" bullpen? Featured 2 home grown guys who were relievers the whole way (Herrera and Holland), a guy acquired in trade with an eye on knowing his floor was as an elite back-end arm (Davis) and guys picked up on the cheap (Madson) or converted to the pen (Hochevar).

Moore also nailed several moves to make the 2014 and 2015 and 2013 teams happen. Trades. Small FA signings.

Moore and his staff need to improve their player development pipeline. I'd grade their first five years as excellent in terms of developing the minors, the middle five years as below average, and the past two as trending back in the right direction.

I'm not certain he'll put together a consistent winner in Kansas City again. It's hard to do. There are some quirks that make you wonder about him repeating what he did before, but he still deserves a lot more credit than you gave him here.
I just don't think the organization has any faith in Dozier. The case for not bringing up Lopez isn't very strong. In regards to the 40 man, just DFA Owings or Duda and there is his spot. I wouldn't call bringing up a 24 year old rushing. Also hes had 230 ABs in AAA. No one is trading anything for Owings or Duda, so really is no reason for them to be on the team. Hed slide right into 2B. This season would be much more enjoyable watching the young guys instead of DMs prototypical man crush.

DM has been terrible at drafting and has yet to develop a legit starting pitcher, sure Brad Keller may be the 1st , but im going to give that some time. In his 1st 3 drafts he had the 1st, the 2nd, and the 3rd overall pick and yes those guys developed into decent players, but since then none of our 1st round guys have amounted to much of anything. Our minor league systems has 1 top 100 guy and hes there by default.

Im not denying he did some good things. He turned Grienke(a young starter, Cy Young winner, cheap and not just a 1 year rental) into Cain, Escobar, and Odorizzi. If he would have messed up that deal he should have been fired. Flipped Odorizzi and Wil Myers for James Shields and Wade Davis, both of those guys played big parts in getting to the WS in 2014 and Davis was one the main reasons for us winning in 2015.

Everything DM did from 2013-2015 worked and lucky for us fans and his job security we got a WS championship because of it. A broken clock is right twice a day and DM was lucky enough to have a bunch of wins all during the same time which culminated into 2 pennants and 1 WS win. Im greatful for what DM and Ned were able to give us, but I think it's time for some new management. I think 2013-2015 fogged our memory some and kinda made us forget how incompetent those 2 can be and how bad it was from 2006 - 2012 and 2016 - now. Sure he did some good things in that time, but it was alllooottttt more bad than good.
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MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 12:11 AM 04-07-2019
So Ned actually said today that he believed in the bullpen. Said it’s early and can’t get upset. Said if he shows emotions then his players will see that and it will translate to the field. I show emotion every damn time Owings is in the lineup....
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tk13 12:30 AM 04-07-2019
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
I just don't think the organization has any faith in Dozier. The case for not bringing up Lopez isn't very strong. In regards to the 40 man, just DFA Owings or Duda and there is his spot. I wouldn't call bringing up a 24 year old rushing. Also hes had 230 ABs in AAA. No one is trading anything for Owings or Duda, so really is no reason for them to be on the team. Hed slide right into 2B. This season would be much more enjoyable watching the young guys instead of DMs prototypical man crush.

DM has been terrible at drafting and has yet to develop a legit starting pitcher, sure Brad Keller may be the 1st , but im going to give that some time. In his 1st 3 drafts he had the 1st, the 2nd, and the 3rd overall pick and yes those guys developed into decent players, but since then none of our 1st round guys have amounted to much of anything. Our minor league systems has 1 top 100 guy and hes there by default.

Im not denying he did some good things. He turned Grienke(a young starter, Cy Young winner, cheap and not just a 1 year rental) into Cain, Escobar, and Odorizzi. If he would have messed up that deal he should have been fired. Flipped Odorizzi and Wil Myers for James Shields and Wade Davis, both of those guys played big parts in getting to the WS in 2014 and Davis was one the main reasons for us winning in 2015.

Everything DM did from 2013-2015 worked and lucky for us fans and his job security we got a WS championship because of it. A broken clock is right twice a day and DM was lucky enough to have a bunch of wins all during the same time which culminated into 2 pennants and 1 WS win. Im greatful for what DM and Ned were able to give us, but I think it's time for some new management. I think 2013-2015 fogged our memory some and kinda made us forget how incompetent those 2 can be and how bad it was from 2006 - 2012 and 2016 - now. Sure he did some good things in that time, but it was alllooottttt more bad than good.
To be fair, this organization was such a train wreck when he took over that even getting it to act like a major league franchise was an accomplishment. All the behind the scenes stuff like getting this team to spend money, not just on players but on draft picks and international players. The 2013-15 run happened by spending 2006-12 building one of the best farm systems ever. That was a 5 year run where they won 80+ games every year. The Royals hadn't done that since the 70s.

I said this last year, and I said it again this year... this team will go as far as the bullpen, and the last two years he has done a horrible job of bullpen FA signings. Last year the Maurer/Boyer/Grimm trio sunk us right away. This year isn't looking quite as horrific but they're still blowing games every day. If we had a good bullpen we'd probably be 5-2 or something like that right and everyone would be excited because we haven't even seen any of the talent in the minors yet.
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tk13 12:48 AM 04-07-2019
There's also some luck to it. I agree this team hasn't done a good job of developing starting pitchers, but that's a different conversation if Yordano Ventura is our #1 starter right now.

If Duffy ever got healthy, you'd feel pretty good about Ventura/Keller/Junis/Duffy.

You'd also feel better about the future of the offense if it was Whit/Mondesi/Acuna at the top of the order, but it's not.
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dlphg9 01:24 AM 04-07-2019
Originally Posted by tk13:
There's also some luck to it. I agree this team hasn't done a good job of developing starting pitchers, but that's a different conversation if Yordano Ventura is our #1 starter right now.

If Duffy ever got healthy, you'd feel pretty good about Ventura/Keller/Junis/Duffy.

You'd also feel better about the future of the offense if it was Whit/Mondesi/Acuna at the top of the order, but it's not.
We will never know what Yordano would have become and I was a huge fan, but if you look at his numbers it seemed like be got worse and worse every year in just about every stat. Im not good with advanced numbers and maybe those tell a different story, but here are what his numbers were in the 3 years he was a starter in the majors:

2014: 30 Starts/3.20 ERA/183 IP/1.295 WHIP/8.3 H/9 inn/.7 HR/9 inn/3.4 BB/9 inn/7.8 SO/9 inn

2015: 28 Starts/4.08 ERA/163 IP/1.298 WHIP/8.5 H/9 inn/.8 HR/9 inn/3.2 BB/9 inn/8.6 SO/9 inn

2016: 32 Starts/4.45 ERA/186 IP/1.441 WHIP/9.2 H/9 inn/1.1 HR/9 inn/3.8 BB/9 inn/7.0 SO/9 inn

I am in no way saying that YV sucked just that it's possible that he was starting to decline for some reason.

I don't think a healthy Danny Duffy makes us any better. For some reason he just isn't as good as he was. He had alot of promise, but he's on the wrong side of 30 now. I just wish they could have traded in the offseason after the 2017 season or during the season last year.
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dlphg9 03:15 AM 04-07-2019
Originally Posted by tk13:
To be fair, this organization was such a train wreck when he took over that even getting it to act like a major league franchise was an accomplishment. All the behind the scenes stuff like getting this team to spend money, not just on players but on draft picks and international players. The 2013-15 run happened by spending 2006-12 building one of the best farm systems ever. That was a 5 year run where they won 80+ games every year. The Royals hadn't done that since the 70s.

I said this last year, and I said it again this year... this team will go as far as the bullpen, and the last two years he has done a horrible job of bullpen FA signings. Last year the Maurer/Boyer/Grimm trio sunk us right away. This year isn't looking quite as horrific but they're still blowing games every day. If we had a good bullpen we'd probably be 5-2 or something like that right and everyone would be excited because we haven't even seen any of the talent in the minors yet.
Yes I know they were terrible, but it's pretty easy to turn that around by having multiple top 5 picks. Yeah we had the best farm system in baseball, but that farm system didn't produce any real stars, aside from Salvy or any number 1/2 starting pitchers. Yeah YV could have been, but it's also just as likely that he flames out.

When it comes to spending DM gives out a ton of bad contracts. Sure he's hit on a few reclamation projects, Melky Cabrera for example, he's given out way too much money to guys who were trash.

So sure everyone misses on contracts, but the one thing DM does that is absolutely fucking infuriating, he has this burning desire to make sure that every single year he has the grittiest son of a bitch he can find;

2007 - Dayton Moore finds his first true love in the form of a shitty little SS who couldn't get a hit off of a little leaguer, but damn could he work that glove baby - Tony Pena Jr was his name and getting out was his game.

2008 - Oh we have multiple sacks of shit this year, because in 2007 Dayton had his eyes on another player on the team by the name of Ross Gload. Ross wasn't a complete shit sucker in 2007, so DM became infatuated with him. By 2008 RG was as gritty as they get and he played the game the right way. What more could Moore ask for from his 1st baseman he was all ready playing hard and had 3 HR and a .348 slg % in 122 games. Let's not forget about TPJ, the magician with the glove, he gritted his way to a .398 OPS and -1.8 WAR. That production earned him 95 games and 235 plate appearances.

2009 - Love triangle is over. Move over TPJ, there's a new Willie in town and DM is head over heels. This guy is top 2 in grit and is the ultimate Swiss Army Knife. He can play every position on the field and is an offensive juggernaut. Willie Bloomquist posts a .663 OPS and gosh dang it guys who have the ability to be that good at the plate and that good all over the field are hard to find. There's nothing like summer love, but this love is about to come to and end. There is a new grit master on the horizon and DM has been eyeing him for awhile and all it takes to get him is Mark Teahen.

2010 - 2013 - Dayton getz married. Chris Getz. So dreamy. The Master of Grit. Chris Getz loved to get down and dirty, literally. Dayton had to invest in a new washing machine because there wasn't a game in those 4 marvelous seasons that Chris didn't have a dirt or grass stain on his jersey. 4 seasons of bliss for DM, but unfortunately injuries cut this marriage short. Four years of starting at 2nd base for the Royals. Dayton knew that no one else in the system could come close to producing like Chris. A .601 OPS is just too good. If only CG could have stayed healthy. He would be the highest paid Royals and still playing for us. Let us not forget that DM is a slut and monogamy is idiotic, 2011-2013 Dayton had a side piece by the name of Frenchy and Frenchy fooled everyone in 2011. 2011 allowed Frenchy to be around for 2012 and part of 2013.

2014 - 2015 - Dayton has his rebound and becomes a better person, also Royals win the pennant twice and 30 years after their 1st championship they win their 2nd. His name was Omar and he was exotic. Dayton threw money at Omar and Omar comforted Mr. Moore. Omar sucked ass during his time with the Royals, but DM didn't care, he brought a championship to a city for the 1st time in 30 years.

2016-2018 The WS hangover years and God dammit you just cant end a streak like Alshitty had. He sucked shit for so long that you just couldn't stop it. Everyone likes watching a trainwreck right?

2019 - DM has become an alcoholic and after the rollercoaster he was just on he needs someone to enjoy these last few years with. Chris Owings, youre up buddy.
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jimidollar 07:14 AM 04-07-2019
Lol! Fantastic! Made my morning.
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ROYC75 08:01 AM 04-07-2019
Originally Posted by jimidollar:
Lol! Fantastic! Made my morning.
No shit, where would sports be without Drama Queen fans ?:-)
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