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Rain Man 12:15 AM 03-22-2009
The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 35 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.


Spoiler!

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 35 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 850 points. The 10th pick is normally 1,300 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*1,300, or 1,495 points.

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 850 points, but in this game it will be worth 553 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 480 points, so you can get 73 points back from the other team.

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 73 points in the above example from a third team.)

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The Pest 10:20 AM 04-29-2009
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Yep. Post your answers to the first two questions and then post your draft.

Since this is a long-term game, if you trade Tony G. you get a 2010 2nd rounder out of it.
Alright....I'll get right on that.
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Hoover 10:27 AM 04-29-2009
I'll take Des Moines
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The Pest 11:05 AM 04-29-2009
Alright....so here is my one issue.

It's going to be hard to judge our teams based on redrafting for the Chiefs. Say for instance I take Ron Brace to be our NT in the 3-4. Well if you judge just based off of stats and how he played....I'm going to get screwed because he'll be backing up Vince Wilfork and he won't be getting much playing time.

A second instance of that is if I draft someone for my 3-4....but he plays in a 4-3. His stats are going to be skewed (if he even starts).

Understand where I'm going with this?
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bdeg 11:09 AM 04-29-2009
Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23:
Alright....so here is my one issue.

It's going to be hard to judge our teams based on redrafting for the Chiefs. Say for instance I take Ron Brace to be our NT in the 3-4. Well if you judge just based off of stats and how he played....I'm going to get screwed because he'll be backing up Vince Wilfork and he won't be getting much playing time.

A second instance of that is if I draft someone for my 3-4....but he plays in a 4-3. His stats are going to be skewed (if he even starts).

Understand where I'm going with this?
that's why I don't like the idea of judging by stats, i think we may have to trust that everyone voting knows what kind of a season a player had or would've had based not only on stats
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Rain Man 11:30 AM 04-29-2009
Originally Posted by bdeg:
that's why I don't like the idea of judging by stats, i think we may have to trust that everyone voting knows what kind of a season a player had or would've had based not only on stats

My initial thinking is that we won't be judging by stats. We'll let people each make an argument for the strengths of their team, and then let the voters decide who has the better team. I could see people using stats as part of their argument, but I don't think they should be the sole argument, in part because we know their stats would change with different teammates.

One big variable is indeed the fact that a Ron Brace could end up behind Vince Wilfork in real life when he's a starter for an Alternate Reality team. This is why I'm setting our draft to occur after the "real" draft, so we can at least handicap the odds of such things.

If someone has a different proposal for selecting the best teams, we can certainly discuss it, too. I think that is indeed the biggest weakness of this game.
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chiefscafan 11:54 AM 04-29-2009
The voting still makes me weary. If someone is more popular on here than another that could influence their vote. I don't know how you make that fair.
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Rain Man 11:56 AM 04-29-2009
Originally Posted by chiefscafan:
The voting still makes me weary. If someone is more popular on here than another that could influence their vote. I don't know how you make that fair.
I wonder if we could take it to an objective third party, like the Orange Mane or some other team's board. Or maybe WPI, now that I think about it.
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The Pest 02:20 PM 04-29-2009
Originally Posted by chiefscafan:
The voting still makes me weary. If someone is more popular on here than another that could influence their vote. I don't know how you make that fair.
I honestly don't care if some people vote for someone because they like them. To me this isn't about winning and it isn't about popularity. I'm using it to basically be like Madden without the video game system. I want to see what kind of team I can build.
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The Pest 02:21 PM 04-29-2009
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
I wonder if we could take it to an objective third party, like the Orange Mane or some other team's board. Or maybe WPI, now that I think about it.
If you take it to WPI......anyone that didn't accept the Cassel trade is going to get a shitty grade.
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The Pest 02:23 PM 04-29-2009
Oh and Rainman.....here are the picks if you want to put them in the opening post.

#3
(#34) If the Cassel/Vrabel trade isn't accepted
#67
#102
#139
#175
#212
(#237) If the 7th round trade is accepted. If it is then we lose a 7th round pick in 2010.
#256
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Ultra Peanut 02:40 PM 04-29-2009
Memphis Jackals

Cassel/Vrabel trade: FUCK NO.
Gonzo trade: Yes.
Rd7 trade: Yes.

2009 NFL Entry Draft:

#3 - Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
#34 - Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
#67 - Jared Cook, TE, South Carolina
#102 - Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
#139 - Jarrett Dillard, WR, Rice
#175 - Aaron Brown, RB, TCU
#212 - Curtis Taylor, FS, LSU
#237 - Clinton McDonald, DT, Memphis
#256 - Dannell Ellerbe, ILB, Georgia
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The Pest 02:45 PM 04-29-2009
1. The Slackers reject the Cassel/Vrabel trade.
2. The Slackers accept the Gonzales trade.
3. The Slackers accept the 2009 7th round pick for 2010 7th round pick.

The 2009 Sioux Falls Slackers NFL Draft

#3 - Mark Sanchez - QB - USC
#34 - Everette Brown - DE/OLB - Florida State
#67 - Jarron Gilbert - DE - San Jose State
#102 - Lawrence Sidbury - DE/OLB - Richmond
#139 - Fenuki Tupou - OT - Oregon
#175 - Brandon Gibson - WR - Washington State
#212 - A.Q. Shipley - OC/OG - Penn State
#237 - Trevor Canfield - OG - Cincinatti
#256 - Chris Baker - NT - Hampton
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The Pest 03:10 PM 04-29-2009
Does the 35 players include the people we draft?
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banyon 05:57 PM 04-29-2009
1. The Buckshot Cheneys accept the Cassel/Vrabel trade.
2. The Buckshot Cheneys accept the Gonzales trade.
3. The Buckshot Cheneys accept the 2009 7th round pick for 2010 7th round pick.

2009 Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys Draft

#3 - BJ Raji DT Boston College
#34 (Traded for Cassel)
#67 - Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech
#102 - Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma
#139 - Cornelius Ingraham TE Florida
#175 - Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
#212 - Demetrius Byrd WR LSU
#237 - Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU
#256 - Chase Daniel QB Missouri
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Rain Man 08:05 PM 04-29-2009
Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23:
Does the 35 players include the people we draft?
Yep.

I'm working on my team now. Just gotta review the draft.
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