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Nzoner's Game Room>The PI call that the refs voluntarily overturned
bobbything 05:15 PM 10-13-2019
You know, the one on Mahomes’ interception. The refs called pass interference, announced the call, and then huddled together and voluntarily overturned their own call after they announced it.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before. Someone explain how that happens without a challenge.
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FAX 08:57 AM 10-14-2019
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/st...36058144841732

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rabblerouser 09:06 AM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by FAX:
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/st...36058144841732

FAX
Thank you, FAX.
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Nzoner 09:08 AM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by FAX:
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/st...36058144841732

FAX
Originally Posted by :
We know that the league office buzzes in to talk to refs and influence calls. They never tell us about it, but that’s what former refs have said after retirement.
Just two weeks ago Al Michaels eluded to this on SNF when he asked that the booth ref let the audience know the field ref wasn't talking to NY or even Mars.
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New World Order 09:09 AM 10-14-2019
I've never witnessed that before and I bet I'll never see it again.
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rabblerouser 09:13 AM 10-14-2019
Damn, Florio...got it right?

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...mpression=true
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rabblerouser 09:15 AM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by Nzoner:
Just two weeks ago Al Michaels eluded to this on SNF when he asked that the booth ref let the audience know the field ref wasn't talking to NY or even Mars.
Alluded, and eluded. I remember that, and I laughed..."of COURSE he's not listening to NY buzz in on his earpiece. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."
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rabblerouser 09:29 AM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by DanT:
Yes, it would be good to see a different camera angle. Some of the mugging Kelce received was within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, which the defender is allowed to get away with. But there could have been some illegal contact, although it seems sort of ridiculous for an offense to benefit from a penalty call in that situation, as the QB wasn't throwing at Kelce. A few years ago, I was very close to no longer wanting to watch the NFL, because it had too many bullshit calls going against the defense. Lately, I'm enjoying the games a lot more. Part of that is Mahomes, but part of that is also that the rules are being enforced a little bit more reasonably on passing plays, in my opinion....all except for how pass intereference is supposed to be reviewable but isn't really.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CooperSmi...53921669431296

Kelce was tackled before the ball was thrown; in the televised angle, he was GETTING BACK UP as the ball was being thrown.

For the record. Click the link and see for yourself.
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Redbled 09:40 AM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by bobbything:
Why so salty? It’s a legit question that NBC apparently even wrote about...

https://apple.news/A5lb4s6XNR7-9tJhC5nD5aQ
I thought the exact same thing at the time. It appeared the hold happened when Mahomes still would have had the ball. A penalty should have been called regardless and it was a huge factor in the loss as was the holding call on Breeland.
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Redbled 09:41 AM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by Gravedigger:
They could’ve easily said “Correction, Holding on the defense. That’s a 5 yard penalty.” Instead they drummed up bullshit saying it doesn’t matter because he wasn’t the person Mahomes was targeting. So by that degree all penalties away from the play shouldn’t count then right??!?
I fully expected the announcement to be that the call was changed to holding.
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rabblerouser 09:44 AM 10-14-2019
Should've been 27-9 at the half, if not 31-9.

Got jobbed by the NFL and the NY officials talking in the ref's ear...
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Redbled 09:48 AM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by DanT:
I don't know when the flag was thrown, because I haven't seen a camera angle that shows me. I would be surprised if there was a flag visible to Mahomes before he threw that ball, though, because that ball was in the air while Kelce was headed to the turf, and I would think that the official who threw it was reacting to Kelce going down, not to the contact before then. (If it had been the contact before then, that official would have certainly told his crew chief that he was calling illegal contact, not pass interference.)
Ya I don’t buy that Mahomes knew either. Bad throw regardless but the refs blew it big time.
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DanT 10:00 AM 10-14-2019
Originally Posted by rabblerouser:
https://mobile.twitter.com/CooperSmi...53921669431296

Kelce was tackled before the ball was thrown; in the televised angle, he was GETTING BACK UP as the ball was being thrown.

For the record. Click the link and see for yourself.
Thanks for that link, rabblerouser. It looks from that angle that Mahomes may have been able to see illegal contact, but that would be based on him guessing that the refs would call it. Kelce and the defender began their tango within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage and I don't see a flag that was visible to Mahomes before he threw a pass that was not aimed at Kelce. Mahomes is the best QB I have ever seen. He is good at guessing what might be called. But here I think that is what he did. If he did indeed see a flag and that caused him to take a shot downfield, then that would be a big issue. But I still don't know from the views I have seen whether a flag was visible to Mahomes or was Mahomes just guessing that there would be a flag.
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theCATALYST 10:04 AM 10-14-2019
The right call was made. You can't expect a flag every time Kelce decides to run directly at a defender, grab him and push him backwards before flopping on the turf as if he is the victim.
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Mosbonian 10:42 AM 10-14-2019
I see we have a Texan fan sneaking in.
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Mosbonian 10:46 AM 10-14-2019
So I will ask again. Based on the rule interpretation every eligible receiver who isn't the intended receiver can literally be abused once the ball is in the air?
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