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ROYC75 04:26 PM 08-12-2014
Discussion: All things Broncos.
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Bowser 11:39 AM 08-15-2015
Originally Posted by KnowMo2724:
Von Miller's athleticism is unmatched. He just might be the most athletic pass rusher in NFL history. Houston is a good player but he just doesn't have the talent that Von has. It's why Von was the second pick in the deepest draft in a decade, he is just special.

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MagicHef 11:40 AM 08-15-2015
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO:
How many times has each been able to rush the passer?

Is one coming from a qb blind side?
Both Von and Houston rush from the right side of the offense, typically against RTs and TEs.

Houston has played in more games and has played more snaps, but Von has more sacks and more forced fumbles.
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Quesadilla Joe 11:41 AM 08-15-2015
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
He's the third best defender from that draft class, AT BEST, behind JJ Watt, Richard Sherman and Justin Houston.

You could really make a good case that he's not as good as guys like Marcel Dareus and Patrick Peterson are as good as him as well. Aldon Smith is certainly more talented.
The only player in that draft with a higher career PFF grade than Von Miller is JJ Watt.

Houston's career grade is 124 points lower than Von's. Watt would go #1 overall and Von would still go number 2.
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Bowser 11:42 AM 08-15-2015
Originally Posted by MagicHef:
Both Von and Houston rush from the right side of the offense, typically against RTs and TEs.

Houston has played in more games and has played more snaps, but Von has more sacks and more forced fumbles.
The point is that if they dedicated Houston to just solely going after the QB like Von does, this wouldn't even be a discussion.
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Pasta Giant Meatball 11:43 AM 08-15-2015
PFF grades :-) :-)
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Pasta Giant Meatball 11:43 AM 08-15-2015
Houston could of had 30 sacks/ Knowlogic
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MagicHef 11:57 AM 08-15-2015
Originally Posted by Bowser:
The point is that if they dedicated Houston to just solely going after the QB like Von does, this wouldn't even be a discussion.
Von doesn't solely go after the QB.
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Quesadilla Joe 12:04 PM 08-15-2015
Originally Posted by Bowser:
The point is that if they dedicated Houston to just solely going after the QB like Von does, this wouldn't even be a discussion.
Houston has had 87 fewer career pass rush snaps in his career than Von.

Houston also has 46 fewer combined sacks/hits/hurries than Von.

Von affects the QB once every 5.9 pass rushing snaps.

Houston affects the QB once every 6.8 pass rushing snaps.

Von Miller has forced 12 fumbles.

Houston has forced 7 fumbles.

Houston didn't have to come off a torn ACL like Von did and is still a less productive pass rusher.
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BlackOp 12:08 PM 08-15-2015
Originally Posted by KnowMo2724:
Von affects the QB once every 5.9 pass rushing snaps.

Houston affects the QB once every 6.8 pass rushing snaps.
Since you are a PFF homer...posting that just nullified any argument you've made. It's like you are arguing with yourself...
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rockymtnchief 12:08 PM 08-15-2015
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/08/05/ran...hiefs-patriots
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Pasta Giant Meatball 12:14 PM 08-15-2015
Von took roids, Houston didn't
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BlackOp 12:15 PM 08-15-2015
Originally Posted by rockymtnchief:
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/08/05/ran...hiefs-patriots
Ha Denver didn't even get mentioned.....that crap o-line is going to have it's hands full against Baltimore and KC the first two weeks.

I think Harbaugh knows a thing or two about Kubiak...and is a superior HC.
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Quesadilla Joe 12:17 PM 08-15-2015
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball:
Von took roids, Houston didn't
Von got busted for pot and ecstacy, not PED's.
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Quesadilla Joe 02:11 PM 08-15-2015
Everyone on Denver's starting OL graded out positively except for Ty Sambrailo, who would've had a positive grade if not for his false start penalty. I never saw our starting OL get dominated physically, and the times they got beat looked like missed assignments. Gotta say I'm encouraged.
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keg in kc 02:14 PM 08-15-2015
Originally Posted by KnowMo2724:
Von Miller's athleticism is unmatched. He just might be the most athletic pass rusher in NFL history. Houston is a good player but he just doesn't have the talent that Von has. It's why Von was the second pick in the deepest draft in a decade, he is just special.
Yeah, you'd have to be "special" to wear those glasses.
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