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Washington DC and The Holy Land>Let's end the shutdown
Merde Furieux 07:21 AM 04-14-2020
Currently our economy is being decimated, not by a disease but by a series of governmental shutdown orders that have closed most businesses and resulted in millions of layoffs. These orders were based not on experience, but on models that we now know were wrong. It is critical to remember that the shutdown strategy was never intended to stop people from getting sick.

When we all emerge from hibernation, the virus will still be there, and some of us (more or less the same number) will still get sick. The idea was to “flatten the curve” by prolonging the epidemic, so that hospital resources would not be overwhelmed at any one time. We now know that projections of hospital and ICU use were wildly inaccurate. That means that the “flatten the curve” rationale has ceased to exist (unless you think there will be a vaccine or a cure within the next month or two, which won’t happen). So why are our governments persisting in devastating the lives of tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, of Americans?

A reader from the New York area writes:

The models, as you have noted, are not tracking reality well, at all. Models pointed to large outbreaks of the virus washing over the country this week. Right now hospitals are managing just fine almost everywhere—well below capacity, in fact.

Even in NYC, the estimates of the beds and ventilators needed has been grossly wide of the mark: they’d estimated a need for 140,000 beds by last Friday, but only needed 8,500. Looking around the country, it doesn’t appear that any hospitals are using the emergency facilities they urgently threw up around the country. Even Louisiana got through its surge without being overwhelmed. Washington DC is supposedly 8 days past the peak as gauged by IHME, and nothing of note has happened. The expected epidemics haven’t materialized, indicating that there are big problems with the models, likely focusing on their assumptions about either the disease’s case fatality rate or its contagiousness (or both).

Note that social distancing should only now just be affecting hospital capacity – given that there’s a 3-week lag between when social distancing can begin to bring down new infections that can then progress to hospitalization severity. Most places only locked down at the end of March, so the lack of hospital utilization right now isn’t due to social distancing.

She notes this article by Stanford epidemiologist John Ioannidis in the European Journal of Clinical Investigation, titled “Coronavirus disease 2019: The harms of exaggerated information and non‐evidence‐based measures.” It is well worth your time. A couple of excerpts:

An argument in favour of lockdowns is that postponing the epidemic wave (“flattening the curve”) gains time to develop vaccines and reduces strain on the health system. However, vaccines take many months (or years) to develop and test properly. Maintaining lockdowns for many months may have even worse consequences than an epidemic wave that runs an acute course. Focusing on protecting susceptible individuals may be preferable to maintaining countrywide lockdowns longterm.
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Leading figures insist that the current situation is a once‐in‐a‐century pandemic. A corollary might be that any reaction to it, no matter how extreme, is justified.

This year’s coronavirus outbreak is clearly unprecedented in amount of attention received. Media have capitalized on curiosity, uncertainty and horror. A Google search with “coronavirus” yielded 3 550 000 000 results on March 3 and 9 440 000 000 results on March 14. Conversely, “influenza” attracted 30‐ to 60‐fold less attention although this season it has caused so far more deaths globally than coronavirus.

Different coronaviruses actually infect millions of people every year, and they are common especially in the elderly and in hospitalized patients with respiratory illness in the winter. A serological analysis1 of CoV 229E and OC43 in 4 adult populations under surveillance for acute respiratory illness during the winters of 1999‐2003 (healthy young adults, healthy elderly adults, high‐risk adults with underlying cardiopulmonary disease and a hospitalized group) showed annual infection rates ranging from 2.8% to 26% in prospective cohorts, and prevalence of 3.3%‐11.1% in the hospitalized cohort. Case fatality of 8% has been described in outbreaks among nursing home elderly. Leaving the well‐known and highly lethal SARS and MERS coronaviruses aside, other coronaviruses probably have infected millions of people and have killed thousands. However, it is only this year that every single case and every single death gets red alert broadcasting in the news.

See original for citations. Our reader also points out this study by Dr. Ioannidis and others, which attempts to quantify the risk of death from COVID-19 in various demographic groups, based on data from nine countries including the U.S.:

The absolute risk of COVID-19 death ranged from 1.7 per million for people <65 years old in Germany to 79 per million in New York City. The absolute risk of COVID-19 death for people ≥80 years old ranged from approximately 1 in 6,000 in Germany to 1 in 420 in Spain. The COVID-19 death risk in people <65 years old during the period of fatalities from the epidemic was equivalent to the death risk from driving between 9 miles per day (Germany) and 415 miles per day (New York City). People <65 years old and not having any underlying predisposing conditions accounted for only 0.3%, 0.7%, and 1.8% of all COVID-19 deaths in Netherlands, Italy, and New York City. CONCLUSIONS: People <65 years old have very small risks of COVID-19 death even in the hotbeds of the pandemic and deaths for people <65 years without underlying predisposing conditions are remarkably uncommon. Strategies focusing specifically on protecting high-risk elderly individuals should be considered in managing the pandemic.

Finally, this one doesn’t come from our reader, but if you want to see what an old-fashioned epidemiologist from Germany thinks about social distancing, it is worth reading for entertainment value alone.

DR. WITTKOWSKI: With all respiratory diseases, the only thing that stops the disease is herd immunity. About 80% of the people need to have had contact with the virus, and the majority of them won’t even have recognized that they were infected, or they had very, very mild symptoms, especially if they are children. So, it’s very important to keep the schools open and kids mingling to spread the virus to get herd immunity as fast as possible, and then the elderly people, who should be separated, and the nursing homes should be closed during that time, can come back and meet their children and grandchildren after about 4 weeks when the virus has been exterminated.

Interviewer: And so, what do you make of the policy that was enacted in the United States and England and most places throughout the world, this policy of containment, shelter-in-place, etc.? What’s your opinion of it?

DR. WITTKOWSKI: Well, what people are trying to do is flatten the curve. I don’t really know why. But, what happens is if you flatten the curve, you also prolong, to widen it, and it takes more time. And I don’t see a good reason for a respiratory disease to stay in the population longer than necessary.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...n-covid-19.php
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KCChiefsFan88 04:43 PM 06-30-2020
The hilarity of New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts enacting travel restrictions to their states.

As if anyone wants to voluntarily travel to those liberal yankee woke-holes.
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GloryDayz 09:18 PM 06-30-2020
I'm glad to hear more that more idiots from idiot states like NY are stuck in their houses.
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Just Passin' By 10:08 PM 07-07-2020

Ascena Retail, the owner of Ann Taylor, Lane Bryant and other brands, is preparing to file for bankruptcy and shutter at least 1,200 of its 3,000 stores https://t.co/UJD91uoatm

— Bloomberg (@business) July 8, 2020

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ping2000 10:40 PM 07-07-2020
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By:
Where will fat women and Cosmo buy clothes?

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Merde Furieux 04:51 AM 07-08-2020
Originally Posted by ping2000:
Where will fat women and Cosmo buy clothes?
:-)
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Dayze 07:43 AM 07-08-2020
Originally Posted by ping2000:
Where will fat women and Cosmo buy clothes?

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:-)

damn.
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Just Passin' By 03:03 PM 07-09-2020
Originally Posted by :
CDC director: Keeping schools closed poses greater health threat to children than reopening

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Robert Redfield said Thursday that the health risks of keeping schools closed are greater than those of opening them, amid a push by President Trump to have students in classrooms this fall.

"I'm of the point of view as a public health leader in this nation, that having the schools actually closed is a greater public health threat to the children than having the schools reopen," Redfield told The Hill's Steve Clemons.

The comments in favor of reopening schools from Redfield come as Trump presses for schools to reopen. On Wednesday, the president criticized the CDC in a tweet for "their very tough & expensive guidelines for opening schools," raising fears about the politicization of the country's leading public health agency...
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...at-to-children
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Hammock Parties 03:05 PM 07-09-2020
CDC agrees with Trump.

IT'S OVER LIBS

WE HAVE THE HIGH GROUND

DON'T TRY IT


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Just Passin' By 03:07 PM 07-09-2020
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
CDC agrees with Trump.

IT'S OVER LIBS

WE HAVE THE HIGH GROUND

DON'T TRY IT


If the CDC really agrees with Trump, the CDC needs to knock it the fuck off with the ridiculously expensive "guidelines". Instead, we've got Fauci talking about shutting down again.

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Fauci says states with coronavirus spikes 'should seriously look at shutting down'
https://thehill.com/changing-america...his-fauci-says
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Merde Furieux 08:28 AM 08-05-2020
Beware of three widely circulating coronavirus lies — and the partisan motives behind them. These lies are dangerous to our children and hinder our communities’ ability to cope with this virus.

Lie No. 1: “The United States’ response stands out as among the worst of any country.” House Majority Whip James Clyburn leveled that charge as he kicked off a hearing into this virus Friday.

Yet a staggering 183,639 Europeans have died from the virus as of Monday. Deaths per capita have been far higher in Britain, Spain and Italy than in the United States, according to Johns Hopkins University researchers. After a lull, cases are spiking in several European countries.

That hasn’t stopped New York Times columnist Paul Krugman from asking: “Why Can’t Trump’s America Be Like Italy?” Is he crazy? A patient with coronavirus has faced three times the risk of dying from it in *Italy as in America, Johns Hopkins data indicate.

Lie No. 2: Clyburn *accused Team Trump of “rushing into reopening the schools” against the “advice of public-health experts.” Sorry, but the experts want schools to reopen.

At the hearing, expert witnesses Anthony Fauci, from the National Institutes of Health, and Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, were emphatic. Redfield itemized the dangers — delayed learning, social isolation, undetected child abuse and even adolescent suicide — from school closings. And he called attention to his agency’s blueprint for reopening schools safely, down to how to space the desks and handle lunch time.

The CDC reports that COVID-19 poses a smaller risk to children than ordinary flu, for which schools never close. And children under age 10 are unlikely to infect family members, based on data from Switzerland, Iceland and South Korea.

The American Academy of *Pediatrics and the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine are urging that at least grades K-5 reopen. These are where *remote learning is least feasible and infecting family members is unlikely.

Contrary to this science, the Democratic Party and teachers’ unions are demanding schools stay closed. They’re holding kids and parents hostage — in the latter’s case, while getting paid to do *exactly zilch.

A New Zealand study found that infected students never infect their teachers. Yet New York City teachers are taking to the streets, marching with coffins and skeletons. They’re frauds.

Transit workers, cops and firefighters are showing up for work — despite the real dangers they confront.

On “Face the Nation” Sunday, Clyburn shamelessly repeated his false claim that schools can’t reopen because the administration doesn’t have a safety plan. But there is a detailed plan, and it can be found on the CDC’s Web site.

Lie No. 3: Clyburn accused the Trump administration of having no “comprehensive national strategy” to combat the virus. The truth is, since March, these agencies have produced thousands of pages of detailed action plans. I’ve read them. You might disagree with some *details, as I do, but to insist there is no plan is preposterous.

Yet that’s the Democrats’ talking point. No surprise, The New York Times is parroting it, claiming in a July 30 editorial that a “coherent response” has been missing for months.

At Friday’s hearing, Fauci laid out the administration’s vaccine strategy, optimistically predicting a safe, effective vaccine before the end of 2020. Redfield ranged over plans for workplaces, schools, nursing homes and childcare centers.

Despite the virus surging in many states, Redfield testified that if Americans wholeheartedly embrace five measures — masks, hand hygiene, social distancing, avoiding crowds and protecting the elderly — we can get this virus under control, without shutdowns. That’s an important message.

Look out for a fourth lie being concocted now: namely, that the administration is cutting corners on safety to deliver a vaccine *before the election. Fauci assured Congress several times it isn’t true. But The New York Times published a news story Monday implying as much, without evidence, just peddling innuendo and mostly anonymous sources. That lie could dissuade people from getting vaccinated and cost many lives.

It’s the most dangerous of all.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/04/we-nee...ms-covid-lies/

Betsy McCaughey is author of the new book “The Next Pandemic.”
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GloryDayz 08:40 AM 08-05-2020
Originally Posted by Merde Furieux:
Beware of three widely circulating coronavirus lies — and the partisan motives behind them. These lies are dangerous to our children and hinder our communities’ ability to cope with this virus.



Lie No. 1: “The United States’ response stands out as among the worst of any country.” House Majority Whip James Clyburn leveled that charge as he kicked off a hearing into this virus Friday.



Yet a staggering 183,639 Europeans have died from the virus as of Monday. Deaths per capita have been far higher in Britain, Spain and Italy than in the United States, according to Johns Hopkins University researchers. After a lull, cases are spiking in several European countries.



That hasn’t stopped New York Times columnist Paul Krugman from asking: “Why Can’t Trump’s America Be Like Italy?” Is he crazy? A patient with coronavirus has faced three times the risk of dying from it in *Italy as in America, Johns Hopkins data indicate.



Lie No. 2: Clyburn *accused Team Trump of “rushing into reopening the schools” against the “advice of public-health experts.” Sorry, but the experts want schools to reopen.



At the hearing, expert witnesses Anthony Fauci, from the National Institutes of Health, and Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, were emphatic. Redfield itemized the dangers — delayed learning, social isolation, undetected child abuse and even adolescent suicide — from school closings. And he called attention to his agency’s blueprint for reopening schools safely, down to how to space the desks and handle lunch time.



The CDC reports that COVID-19 poses a smaller risk to children than ordinary flu, for which schools never close. And children under age 10 are unlikely to infect family members, based on data from Switzerland, Iceland and South Korea.



The American Academy of *Pediatrics and the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine are urging that at least grades K-5 reopen. These are where *remote learning is least feasible and infecting family members is unlikely.



Contrary to this science, the Democratic Party and teachers’ unions are demanding schools stay closed. They’re holding kids and parents hostage — in the latter’s case, while getting paid to do *exactly zilch.



A New Zealand study found that infected students never infect their teachers. Yet New York City teachers are taking to the streets, marching with coffins and skeletons. They’re frauds.



Transit workers, cops and firefighters are showing up for work — despite the real dangers they confront.



On “Face the Nation” Sunday, Clyburn shamelessly repeated his false claim that schools can’t reopen because the administration doesn’t have a safety plan. But there is a detailed plan, and it can be found on the CDC’s Web site.



Lie No. 3: Clyburn accused the Trump administration of having no “comprehensive national strategy” to combat the virus. The truth is, since March, these agencies have produced thousands of pages of detailed action plans. I’ve read them. You might disagree with some *details, as I do, but to insist there is no plan is preposterous.



Yet that’s the Democrats’ talking point. No surprise, The New York Times is parroting it, claiming in a July 30 editorial that a “coherent response” has been missing for months.



At Friday’s hearing, Fauci laid out the administration’s vaccine strategy, optimistically predicting a safe, effective vaccine before the end of 2020. Redfield ranged over plans for workplaces, schools, nursing homes and childcare centers.



Despite the virus surging in many states, Redfield testified that if Americans wholeheartedly embrace five measures — masks, hand hygiene, social distancing, avoiding crowds and protecting the elderly — we can get this virus under control, without shutdowns. That’s an important message.



Look out for a fourth lie being concocted now: namely, that the administration is cutting corners on safety to deliver a vaccine *before the election. Fauci assured Congress several times it isn’t true. But The New York Times published a news story Monday implying as much, without evidence, just peddling innuendo and mostly anonymous sources. That lie could dissuade people from getting vaccinated and cost many lives.



It’s the most dangerous of all.



https://nypost.com/2020/08/04/we-nee...ms-covid-lies/



Betsy McCaughey is author of the new book “The Next Pandemic.”
Quality post.

The COVID-19 pandemic is a hoax.
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SuperBowl4 08:49 AM 08-05-2020
:-) If you really feel that this is not a pandemic you should consider removing your #I'mleaningtowardsvotingfortrump! from your list. TRUMP is all in on this "hoax". And if it is a "hoax" It's the biggest scam in human history. Duping the entire world to give everyone a Digital ID in the name of solving a "hoax' virus.
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GloryDayz 08:55 AM 08-05-2020
Originally Posted by SuperBowl4:
:-) If you really feel that this is not a pandemic you should consider removing your #I'mleaningtowardsvotingfortrump! from your list. TRUMP is all in on this "hoax"
"leaning toward"... Remember, I'm undecided at this point... That being said, I've been honest that Joe, if we could guarantee he'd be POTUS for all 4 years (and not turn it over to some idiot his handlers pick as his VP), might earn my votes. Right now, because it's clear to most of us that Joe probably wouldn't make it a year, much less four, I'm leaning toward casting my votes for President Trump because he's a real American and his policies are better for real Americans and suck for shitty people.

Make sense now?
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