I get a Cutlerian vibe from this guy. Seems to be built like a franchise QB. Powerful arm, some beautiful passes, perfect bodytype. But he is lacking an "it" factor, is he not? He's not a world-beating, overcome-the-odds, particularly spiriting QB. Looks like he could have an okay career in the NFL in which he wins nothing of consequence.
Well if there was one Andy Reid QB in this entire draft, it's Trubisky, isn't it? Super accurate, doesn't take too many risks with the ball, is very mentally tough and very athletic. He's a slam dunk for the Chiefs to trade up for, if he lasts to the 20s, but in a QB-starved NFL with at least 6 new head coaches looking for their QB, there's no chance he lasts to us. [Reply]
There is no sure fire day 1 starter in this QB class. It doesn't make it horrible. It just means that you find a stop gap and draft a guy to sit for a year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pestilence:
There is no sure fire day 1 starter in this QB class. It doesn't make it horrible. It just means that you find a stop gap and draft a guy to sit for a year.
I think Watson could be. I don't get why you all don't love him. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay:
I think Watson could be. I don't get why you all don't love him.
Because he never makes the same mistake twice in a row.
You don't know what to fix on the guy because every other pass is a new adventure in misfiring a football. He's damn erratic.
If you have a golfer that slices every shot, there's an easy fix there - you get him to stop pulling across the face and you're golden. But if he's, uh, me....he makes a new mistake on every swing and there's just too much wrong to focus on any specific fix. And even when something is perfect, you can't duplicate it with any regularity.
Watson's a lot like that. He fires high and low and wide. He'll throw into triple coverage, feel phantom pressure, hold onto the ball too long, etc... Then he'll twirl a rocket in between three guys for a TD or scramble out of trouble for 30 yards.
The guys a taller, less douche-rocket Manziel. He's so damn erratic that it's hard to know where to even start in fixing him. Then you worry that if you do that, you'll take away the things that make him dynamic. But dynamic or no, the guy was one of the worst in all of college football at throwing interceptions (led the NCAA over the last 2 years, IIRC). He absolutely cannot function on the next level playing like he does.
And everything about his game is so loud that the degree of difficulty in trying to iron out those wrinkles is going to be extremely high.
If Watson starts for a team - any team - next year, I think that team loses no fewer than 10 games. He's nowhere near an NFL ready quarterback. [Reply]
There's no denying he has some things to iron out but some of the things you describe to me read like Matt Ryan's scouting report as well. There's no doubt he can add 15 pounds or so to his frame. Dudes a gifted athlete and can make all the throws. His performance against Alabama was a beauty the throw to Williams on the game winning drive was something Alex Smith has never tried in his whole career. Watson to me seems to have that unmeasureable "it" factor. I hope he falls to us at 27. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Because he never makes the same mistake twice in a row.
You don't know what to fix on the guy because every other pass is a new adventure in misfiring a football. He's damn erratic.
If you have a golfer that slices every shot, there's an easy fix there - you get him to stop pulling across the face and you're golden. But if he's, uh, me....he makes a new mistake on every swing and there's just too much wrong to focus on any specific fix. And even when something is perfect, you can't duplicate it with any regularity.
Watson's a lot like that. He fires high and low and wide. He'll throw into triple coverage, feel phantom pressure, hold onto the ball too long, etc... Then he'll twirl a rocket in between three guys for a TD or scramble out of trouble for 30 yards.
The guys a taller, less douche-rocket Manziel. He's so damn erratic that it's hard to know where to even start in fixing him. Then you worry that if you do that, you'll take away the things that make him dynamic. But dynamic or no, the guy was one of the worst in all of college football at throwing interceptions (led the NCAA over the last 2 years, IIRC). He absolutely cannot function on the next level playing like he does.
And everything about his game is so loud that the degree of difficulty in trying to iron out those wrinkles is going to be extremely high.
If Watson starts for a team - any team - next year, I think that team loses no fewer than 10 games. He's nowhere near an NFL ready quarterback.
Almost all of this reads exactly like Dak Prescott's scouting report. [Reply]
The more I study Pitt QB Nate Peterman the more I like. Full field read. Fast eyes. Ball is out on time and perfect placement. pic.twitter.com/lMY51NauNz
Peterman is such a prototypical WCO type of QB that I just have this feeling that is who KC will draft. When I first looked at all the QBs in this draft I had that feeling that "this is a perfect Andy Reid fit." He's accurate, he can make the throws, he anticipates routes coming open, he's smart with the football, he's mobile. He just has alot to like. He doesn't have the ceiling like some others, I think more because of arm strength than anything. If he cleans up his throwing base and increases his core strength, maybe he increases that zip on the ball ala Brees.
I think on KC's draft board, Peterman is a very real possibility in round 1.
I love the upside of Mahomes, but he comes with much more risk. Dorsey and Reid both saw risk in GB with a young Brett Favre and I'd be willing to bet they see the same type of player in Mahomes.
That said, they went with ultra-safe in Alex Smith when they came here and the QBs they've drafted to this point were generally pretty safe college players. Peterman is the safest QB in the draft.
Given the choice, I'd draft Mahomes and hope my coaches could fix his issues because that kind of arm and playmaking ability is hard to find. If not, I wouldn't hesitate a bit to take Peterman, and I might take him over Kizer even though I do like Kizer. [Reply]
People compare Peterman to Alex simply bc he managed the game at Pitt. It's what he was told to do, and to be honest, his receivers are nothing to write home about at all.
The biggest differentiator between these QB's will occur in Indy in a room where we will have zero access. Knowledge will always beat a strong arm all day and a guy like Peterman can make every throw on the field with decent velocity.
I don't mind having a QB to "manage the game" and not make mistakes as long as he recognizes and capitalizes on big plays by reading the field, which Peterman does well. Make no mistake about it, part of the reason Alex missed the throw to Tyreek was bc he was limited in the playcall and didn't go through progressions well.
Peterman can read defenses, he's got the balls to sit in the pocket with confidence and he's not scared to get hit. He's very much closer to Kirk Cousins IMO.
I think he's a perfect fit here and would be a big upgrade with a year on the bench. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Peterman is such a prototypical WCO type of QB that I just have this feeling that is who KC will draft. When I first looked at all the QBs in this draft I had that feeling that "this is a perfect Andy Reid fit." He's accurate, he can make the throws, he anticipates routes coming open, he's smart with the football, he's mobile. He just has alot to like. He doesn't have the ceiling like some others, I think more because of arm strength than anything. If he cleans up his throwing base and increases his core strength, maybe he increases that zip on the ball ala Brees.
I think on KC's draft board, Peterman is a very real possibility in round 1.
I love the upside of Mahomes, but he comes with much more risk. Dorsey and Reid both saw risk in GB with a young Brett Favre and I'd be willing to bet they see the same type of player in Mahomes.
That said, they went with ultra-safe in Alex Smith when they came here and the QBs they've drafted to this point were generally pretty safe college players. Peterman is the safest QB in the draft.
Given the choice, I'd draft Mahomes and hope my coaches could fix his issues because that kind of arm and playmaking ability is hard to find. If not, I wouldn't hesitate a bit to take Peterman, and I might take him over Kizer even though I do like Kizer.
Peterman in the first is a non starter. He'd probably be pretty low on the board in the 2nd, if on it at all.
I'm all for drafting a ticket for our limpwrist shit wagon QB to get out of town, and take his fuck head loyalists with him, but the Chiefs still need to get value. Even with an inflated QB market, anything before Friday is too early. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BryanBusby:
Peterman in the first is a non starter. He'd probably be pretty low on the board in the 2nd, if on it at all.
I'm all for drafting a ticket for our limpwrist shit wagon QB to get out of town, and take his fuck head loyalists with him, but the Chiefs still need to get value. Even with an inflated QB market, anything before Friday is too early.
Worse QBs than Peterman have been taken in the first and early 2nd, so I'm not sure about where he'll land. I do know this, teams are going to like that he's much more pro ready than any of the other prospects. There's not a ton of limiting factors in his game, and I personally believe he's being SEVERELY undervalued by media pundits. We'll see what transpires in Indianapolis, but I'd be willing to guess he's gone by the middle of the 2nd round. My thoughts are his worst case scenario is top half of the 3rd round. There are far too many gambles in this draft at QB and Peterman is more of a sure thing. I'd never discount that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Almost all of this reads exactly like Dak Prescott's scouting report.
I don't think so.
Prescott had odd mechanics but he repeated them. Prescott knew where the ball was going when he released it because for however strange his mechanics are, he knows exactly what they'll be over and over again.
Watson isn't like that. His trigger is different every time. His feet placement is different every time. His delivery/release is different.
He's just very inconsistent.
It's similar to the distinction between precision and accuracy in shooting. If you're a precise shooter who isn't accurate, you'll have a great grouping, 3 inches left of the ten ring every time. If you're accurate but imprecise, it may take you 5 times and you'll miss in 4 directions but on the 5th shot, you'll drill the center.
I'll take precision because I can work with it; if I know I'm going to shoot 3 inches left every time, I'll just start aiming 3 inches to the right of center. That's sorta what Prescott does - he's quirky, but it's a repeatable quirky that he can compensate for. With Watson, he's just all over the place and occasionally falls into the right answer. But you never know when and it's not quite steady enough to know which part to fix.
I won't yell loudly if they take Watson because Reid knows more about QBs than I do and I'm wrong more often than not with those guys. But that's my biggest concern with him - I just don't know if the 'precision' is there to build on whereas last season demonstrated that Dak's was. [Reply]