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Nzoner's Game Room>***Official Bushwood Country Club Lounge***
smittysbar 11:49 AM 05-11-2008
Okay, here is a place for the Golfers to talk about tournaments, clubs, swing help or thoughts.

Today is the Players Championship, which I think ought to be the 5th Major. Largest pot in the PGA. The daunting 17th, which seems to bring excitement every year. At least we will get to see Sergio blow up yet again.

I am ready to see some water balls!
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O.city 05:44 PM 06-16-2013
Rose is a legitimate Major winner. He'll have chances to win others.

Webb Simpson happened to be at the right place at the right time, same with Ogilvy and guys like the Jap that beat Tiger in the PGA a few years ago who's name escapes me.

Guys like that get their one chance when everything comes together.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 05:48 PM 06-16-2013
Phil choked away the following majors:

Masters: 2009, 2012
British Open: 2004, 2011
US Open: 1999, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2013
PGA: 2001

Even if you allow for the ridiculous, play out of their fucking skull rounds by Lucas Glover, Geoff Ogilvy, Rose (especially those early putts), Toms, and Clarke, he's still crapped them away more often than they've been taken.
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O.city 05:50 PM 06-16-2013
It's hard for me to hold 99 against him, Payne took that one, IMO.

But losing to Lucas Glover, Ogilvy and Toms are pretty damning.
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O.city 05:51 PM 06-16-2013
Winged Foot was a bigger one, in that he could have hit 4 iron, 4 iron, wedge and 2 putted.
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KC_Connection 05:52 PM 06-16-2013
13 was such a major screwup for Phil. Chose the wrong club. Such an easy hole...that has to be on the green.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 05:55 PM 06-16-2013
Originally Posted by O.city:
It's hard for me to hold 99 against him, Payne took that one, IMO.

But losing to Lucas Glover, Ogilvy and Toms are pretty damning.
On 17 Payne hit one tight. Phil hit one in even closer. Payne made the putt and Phil missed it. It was a legitimate gag job.
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O.city 05:58 PM 06-16-2013
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
On 17 Payne hit one tight. Phil hit one in even closer. Payne made the putt and Phil missed it. It was a legitimate gag job.
Yeah, but he still had to make the putt on 18, which wasn't easy.


I just feel that Payne took that one. It wasn't gifted like Winged Foot among others.
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tk13 05:59 PM 06-16-2013
Phil is now tied for 3rd all time with 8 second place finishes in majors... tied with Norman, Watson, and Snead. Arnold Palmer had 10. Long way to go to catch Nicklaus' record of 19 second place finishes though.
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milkman 05:59 PM 06-16-2013
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
On 17 Payne hit one tight. Phil hit one in even closer. Payne made the putt and Phil missed it. It was a legitimate gag job.
My memory is not good, so help me out.

Wasn't that putt on roughly the same line as Stewart's as well?
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KC_Connection 06:14 PM 06-16-2013
Originally Posted by O.city:
Rose is a legitimate Major winner. He'll have chances to win others.

Webb Simpson happened to be at the right place at the right time, same with Ogilvy and guys like the Jap that beat Tiger in the PGA a few years ago who's name escapes me.

Guys like that get their one chance when everything comes together.
Y.E. Yang, the Korean?
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KC_Connection 06:15 PM 06-16-2013
Originally Posted by tk13:
Phil is now tied for 3rd all time with 8 second place finishes in majors... tied with Norman, Watson, and Snead. Arnold Palmer had 10. Long way to go to catch Nicklaus' record of 19 second place finishes though.
Doubt anybody ever will. Jack came close a ridiculous amount of times.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 06:32 PM 06-16-2013
Originally Posted by milkman:
My memory is not good, so help me out.

Wasn't that putt on roughly the same line as Stewart's as well?
Yup.

He has a fatal flaw in his putting stroke and it always shows up in majors.

People forget that after he laced that 6-iron from the pine straw at Augusta he missed a four footer straight up the hill, a hole cut in a location he had played, literally, about 20 years in a row.

You can putt effectively with three strokes. A swinging gate stroke where the putter opens way up on the backswing then closes to square at impact. A stroke with a slight arc, and a stroke that is straight back and straight through.

Phil actually starts the putter outside the line, then cuts across the putt. His margin of error is a fraction of other putters, because his path is closed to the target line, which means that his face has to be marginally open to offset that. It's too hard to control in pressure situations. The forward press exacerbates problems by making his putter loft inconsistent and driving the ball into the ground rather than using the putter's effective loft to get it out of the small depression and then on line.

Tiger's stroke was always square to the path of his stroke, which allowed him to focus on pace, and if he got that down he was either making everything or burning edges on 15+ foot putts.
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TribalElder 06:53 PM 06-16-2013
That putter he plays is funky. Heel mounted. He sucks with it also. Time to upgrade
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GloryDayz 06:59 PM 06-16-2013
Originally Posted by TribalElder:
That putter he plays is funky. Heel mounted. He sucks with it also. Time to upgrade
He's prolly saving his allowance for one now that you've mentioned it.
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O.city 07:06 PM 06-16-2013
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Yup.

He has a fatal flaw in his putting stroke and it always shows up in majors.

People forget that after he laced that 6-iron from the pine straw at Augusta he missed a four footer straight up the hill, a hole cut in a location he had played, literally, about 20 years in a row.

You can putt effectively with three strokes. A swinging gate stroke where the putter opens way up on the backswing then closes to square at impact. A stroke with a slight arc, and a stroke that is straight back and straight through.

Phil actually starts the putter outside the line, then cuts across the putt. His margin of error is a fraction of other putters, because his path is closed to the target line, which means that his face has to be marginally open to offset that. It's too hard to control in pressure situations. The forward press exacerbates problems by making his putter loft inconsistent and driving the ball into the ground rather than using the putter's effective loft to get it out of the small depression and then on line.

Tiger's stroke was always square to the path of his stroke, which allowed him to focus on pace, and if he got that down he was either making everything or burning edges on 15+ foot putts.
Phils hands are so great, that they actually get him into trouble in pressure situations. In those times, you can't rely on your hands.

Thats why Tiger was so great of a putter for so long, he had a pretty simple stroke.
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