Originally Posted by Basileus777:
Derrick Henry still isn't even the most important player on his own offense. The Titan's success is tethered to Tannehill, not a RB.
No. Tannehill is very average without being able to lean on PA. We proved that in the AFCCG. Take away Henry, and Tannehill is just an average QB.
Okay, maybe not 'very average,' that's overstating a little. He's better than just average, but he isn't top 10, so somewhere between 12-15 is more accurate. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
No. Tannehill is very average without being able to lean on PA. We proved that in the AFCCG. Take away Henry, and Tannehill is just an average QB.
Okay, maybe not 'very average,' that's overstating a little. He's better than just average, but he isn't top 10, so somewhere between 12-15 is more accurate.
This isn't a counter to my post. The quality of your RB doesn't actually make much of a difference when it comes to using PA. Pretty much all effective offenses make good use of PA. Hell, analytics tells us that there isn't even a strong correlation between running the ball and play action effectiveness.
And tbh the 12th best QB is going to produce more quality offense than the best rb in the league, the gulf in impact between the two positions is just that vast. But in either case, the Titans run these past two years has been mostly about the passing game, not Henry himself. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Basileus777:
This isn't a counter to my post. The quality of your RB doesn't actually make much of a difference when it comes to using PA. Pretty much all effective offenses make good use of PA. Hell, analytics tells us that there isn't even a strong correlation between running the ball and play action effectiveness.
And tbh the 12th best QB is going to produce more quality offense than the best rb in the league, the gulf in impact between the two positions is just that vast. But in either case, the Titans run these past two years has been mostly about Tannehill.
Maybe.
But take away Tannehill and insert decent QB and TEN still wins 9-10 games.
Take away Henry and insert average RB, and TEN doesn't even break even.
NFL defenses prepare for Henry, not Tannehill. It's part of the reason Tannehill is as efficient as he is, so long as they don't have to play from way behind. How DCs prep for a team tells you everything you need to know about who is the most dangerous player on a team. [Reply]
But take away Tannehill and insert decent QB and TEN still wins 9-10 games.
Take away Henry and insert average RB, and TEN doesn't even break even.
NFL defenses prepare for Henry, not Tannehill. It's part of the reason Tannehill is as efficient as he is, so long as they don't have to play from way behind. How DCs prep for a team tells you everything you need to know about who is the most dangerous player on a team.
We saw who the Titans were before Tannehill with Henry and how huge of a jump the offense made with Tannehill. If anything it's the other way around, we know that Henry without a decent QB leads to bad offense. You'd get a far lesser dropoff with Tannehill and a lesser RB. The Titans don't come anywhere near 10 wins with a lesser QB.
And the Chiefs in their playoff game against the Titans were more worried about Tannehill off PA than Henry, they didn't sell out to stop the run. Defensive coordinators know that the passing game is what leads to points and not rushing yards. [Reply]
But take away Tannehill and insert decent QB and TEN still wins 9-10 games.
Take away Henry and insert average RB, and TEN doesn't even break even.
NFL defenses prepare for Henry, not Tannehill. It's part of the reason Tannehill is as efficient as he is, so long as they don't have to play from way behind. How DCs prep for a team tells you everything you need to know about who is the most dangerous player on a team.
When looking at D. Henrys past production with a QB other than Tannehill and then Henrys production with Tannehill as his QB one can come to the assumption that Tannehill is the driving force to the Titans turn around.
Prior to Tannehill the Titans were 2-4 in 2019 and after Tannehill takes over the Titans go 9-4 and make it to the AFC title game and get their asses kicked by the Super Bowl winning Kansas City Chiefs. Now look at Henry's production during the 1st 6 games of last year
113 carries/416 yards/3.68 ypc/4 TDs
The last 10 games of the regular season with Tannehill
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Hey, if you wanna crown Henry, go ahead.
RB's are antiques. He's not going to win MVP.
^ This. For better or worse its a QB driven league and looks to be that way for a long time. Unless a RB shatters records he will never sniff a MVP. Michael Thomas put up insane record breaking numbers last year and Lamar was still the unanimous MVP. In spite of Aaron Donald being arguably the second best player in football he will never even come close to winning a MVP regardless of what he does. [Reply]