Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Health officials said the cases involve male individuals who traveled to a Florida conference.
Johnson County was also the site of the state’s first case, a Johnson County woman under 50, which was announced on Saturday. Officials said the case was unrelated to those announced Thursday.
Officials said the woman had traveled to the northeast United States and had done “everything right” when she returned to prevent the spread of the illness. On Monday, officials at the University of Kansas Hospital said that she was doing well.
Also on Saturday, Missouri Gov. Mike Parson announced the state’s first positive case of COVID-19, which was reported in St. Louis County. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
I'd like to see some communications from people that actually have the sickness right now. I'd like to see how many feel like death, how many are slightly sick, etc. I keep reading "oh, most people only experience minor symptoms." Is minor like a common cold or is minor like the full blown flu without hospitalization?
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Jacob left the trade show on Feb 17th, and became ill on Feb 25–26. We figured it was the same thing his boss had, so he stayed home and planned to take a day or two extra to get better before returning to work. We made jokes about the coronavirus, laughing that maybe he has the coors-virus or bud-light-virus, thinking it wasn’t serious.
Each day he got a little worse. Started with a dry cough, mild fever… he said it felt like there was phlegm building up in his chest but it wasn’t coming loose yet (no productive coughing). Then the sore throat started. We loaded up on soup, Jell-O, sprite, cough drops and throat spray, but nothing seemed to help.
His throat got progressively worse and worse that he was no longer able to sleep as simply breathing was painful. At the same time, the dry cough was getting worse. He would cough so hard he would vomit and get bloody noses. He spent 3 days only being able to sleep about 45 min at a time before coughing/pain woke him up, and 2 days not being able to eat anything solid (broth only) so we took him to Urgent Care on Sunday March 1st (day 5 of being sick).
Urgent care tested him for strep throat (negative), then waived us off and said it was probably just pharyngitis. They only asked us about recent international travel, nothing about traveling stateside. They gave us a bottle of liquid Lidocaine to mix with liquid Benadryl and gargle. It didn’t touch the pain at all, but did make his mouth numb. He said his throat felt like hamburger meat, and could feel how raw it was at the back of his mouth. They only asked us about recent international travel, nothing about traveling stateside.
He was getting worse every hour and I’d never seen him in so much pain and I was so pissed because they wouldn’t even give him codeine cough syrup, so I made an appointment at our doctors office with whoever was available asap (March 2, day 6 of being sick).
I wasn’t able to go with him to the appointment, but I wrote a quick note about his symptoms for his appointment check in online, and I wrote up a list of all the other information for him to share with the doctor because talking hurt, and he was so out of it from sleep deprivation he couldn’t keep track of it all.
The office saw my appointment note and apparently almost tackled him to get a mask on him as soon as he walked in the door. He met with the nurse in the exam room and went over his travel history and symptoms, then went to get the doctor. He was left to sit in the exam room for 45 minutes before the doctor showed up… because she had been on the phone with the state epidemiologist for both Arizona and Colorado (we live in CO) about getting him tested for COVID-19. All of that was before she even saw him. She then tested him for mono, flu A and flu B, and a full blood panel to look for bacterial infection, hoping that something else would pop up and we would know it was something else.
After he left, they sterilized his exam room and isolated it for two hours.
On March 4, all tests came back negative for everything.
We were then told he didn’t meet the CDC mandated criteria for COVID-19 testing: he wasn’t hospital-level sick, he hadn’t been in contact with anyone who was KNOWN to be infected, or he hadn’t been to a “high-risk” country. Since he was negative for everything else, but we couldn’t get him tested for COVID-19, our doctor told us to proceed as if he did test positive and told us to self-isolate and take all precautions.
On March 5, the first positive COVID-19 patient was announced in Colorado… NINE days after Jacob first felt sick.
Our doctor had given him codeine cough syrup right away, but it was still about a 4–5 days before he started feeling a lot better. Now we are on day 15/16 and he’s feeling like he just has a regular chest cold… he can eat, drink, and breathe without pain, but he’s coughing up all kinds of lung butter now. And he’s super fatigued. We’ve been together for 7 years and I’ve watched him deadlift almost 300lbs, so he’s a strong dude, but I’ve never seen him sick and down like this before. It has been genuinely scary to watch him struggle to swallow plain water, and wince in pain the whole time.
I haven’t shown any symptoms at all, but our doctor recommended that I work from home for at least 7 days, but my office has told me I need to come in for work unless I am sick. God bless America, right? I’m keeping myself isolated as best I can in my office with the door closed, but I’m terrified I’ll get someone else sick.
There is no way ANYONE in the US has accurate numbers on infected people, because they aren’t testing nearly enough people. I’ve never been a conspiracy nut, but there is so much bad information coming out, I honestly don’t feel like I can trust anyone about this now. I’ve never felt fear and distrust on this level in my life.
Oh, and all the symptoms he’s been showing? They’re “mild”. Apparently even pneumonia is considered “mild” to the CDC, so just prepare for that if you get it.
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
It's a double edged sword, because when people who are close to retirement lose their entire retirement portfolio who is going to take care of them then?
We already had an issue with the amount of Boomers that are heading into retirement and now we have this on top of it... [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Me, neither, but I'm heading out shortly, just in case school is cancelled for a few weeks.
The good thing is that the freeways are dead in LA, which is absolutely freaking bizarre. I've never heard this town so quiet, not after Northridge, really never. It's really, really weird.
The bad thing is that it might be futile, as there's probably been a run on the stores this morning. Costco opens at 10am and I'm heading up shortly but I'm expecting an epic disaster.
Just an FYI, but depending on what you're trying to get, gas stations/convenience stores are the place to go. I filled up yesterday and went inside to check. Plenty of cases of water and tons of hand sanitizer. I guess people just don't think of them that way? [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
Yeah but how long is that going to take?
Depends, it could be as early as this summer depending on the virus's actions. If when it heats up the infections per a day drop I could see the economy rebounding. But full recovery is going to take years.
Add in the OPEC pissing match, its starting to get dangerous economically. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
That my best case
Not that all of the virus will be gone by 6 months, but it will start to feel normal enough that the freakouts will stop and prices will start to move back up [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Me, neither, but I'm heading out shortly, just in case school is cancelled for a few weeks.
The good thing is that the freeways are dead in LA, which is absolutely freaking bizarre. I've never heard this town so quiet, not after Northridge, really never. It's really, really weird.
The bad thing is that it might be futile, as there's probably been a run on the stores this morning. Costco opens at 10am and I'm heading up shortly but I'm expecting an epic disaster.
I’m heading out after work to stock up. Nothing with schools and sports here....yet. [Reply]