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Washington DC and The Holy Land>Trump says he wanted to take out Syria's Assad but Mattis opposed it
Eleazar 09:31 AM 09-16-2020
Trump says he wanted to take out Syria's Assad but Mattis opposed it

By Brett Samuels - 09/15/20 09:11 AM EDT





President Trump on Tuesday confirmed a plan was in the works to take out Syrian President Bashar Assad in 2017 and that he was supportive of it, but that former Defense Secretary James Mattis was opposed.

The president's disclosure that an assassination operation was discussed came as part of a lengthy diatribe against Mattis, but it confirmed a piece of reporting from 2018 that Trump disputed at the time.


“I would've rather taken him out. I had him all set. Mattis didn’t want to do it. Mattis was a highly overrated general," Trump said on "Fox & Friends."

The president added that he did not regret the decision not to target Assad, saying he "could've lived either way." The Syrian leader has overseen the deaths of scores of civilians amid a years-long civil war that has ravaged the country.

Journalist Bob Woodward reported in his 2018 book, "Fear," that Trump urged Mattis that the U.S. should “f------ kill” Assad following an April 2017 chemical attack on civilians in Syria.

Mattis reportedly went along with the president’s demands during the phone call, but immediately told aides after hanging up that they would take a “much more measured” approach.

Trump was asked about the reporting at the time and said the assassination of Assad was "never even discussed."

"No, that was never even contemplated, nor would it be contemplated and it should not have been written about in the book," Trump said in September 2018.


Trump on Tuesday criticized Mattis at length. Mattis resigned at the end of 2018 after Trump abruptly announced he was pulling all U.S. troops out of Syria, a decision he later reversed.

"To me, he was a terrible general. He was a bad leader, and he wasn't doing the job with ISIS," Trump said. "He was not doing the job in Syria or Iraq with respect to ISIS."

Fox News host Brian Kilmeade interjected to praise Mattis as a great American who served his country.

"I don't say he is a good American or a bad American," Trump replied. "I just say he didn't do a good job."



https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...tis-opposed-it
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Eleazar 10:05 AM 09-16-2020
More than anything that's happened in the Trump era, I think the shock and horror of anyone involved with the military or foreign policy who worked in his administration should make an impact on people.

This is the proof text for why there is a basic floor of competence and sanity that you can't dip below even if the person is from your own party. Someone who gives lip services to your party or your political beliefs can still be too crazy or too incompetent and dangerous for the job.
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Just Passin' By 10:06 AM 09-16-2020
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
More than anything that's happened in the Trump era, I think the shock and horror of anyone involved with the military or foreign policy who worked in his administration should make an impact on people.

This is the proof text for why there is a basic floor of competence and sanity that you can't dip below even if the person is from your own party. Someone who gives lip services to your party or your political beliefs can still be too crazy or too incompetent and dangerous for the job.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=333615
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loochy 10:09 AM 09-16-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
So, what's your defense of this again?

It's not a defense. It's more of a "Well, yeah. Why are you talking about it though?"


Maybe it's akin to a pro athlete letting it slip out that they take steroids because they are emotionally ranting about something else.
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Donger 10:12 AM 09-16-2020
Originally Posted by loochy:
It's not a defense. It's more of a "Well, yeah. Why are you talking about it though?"


Maybe it's akin to a pro athlete letting it slip out that they take steroids because they are emotionally ranting about something else.
So you're back to believing that we've assassinated foreign leaders since the early 1970s.
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Garcia Bronco 10:14 AM 09-16-2020
So is this a news story about discovering potential options in a confidential foreign policy discussion about how to deal with an issue and people are frothing because it didn't happen and still hasn't happened?

I mean if I am President I am asking the same thing. Why don't we just take this guy out? It's discussion. It's not what happened. If I am President I am surely not going to say we discussed it either.

You don't think the Reagan Admin didn't discuss taking out Momar? Shit we killed his daughter in a bombing

You don't think the Bush Admin and subsequent Admins didn't discuss taking out Sadam?

Get ****ing real.
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loochy 10:14 AM 09-16-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
So you're back to believing that we've assassinated foreign leaders since the early 1970s.

I'm sure contingency plans have been in place but not executed. This one wasn't executed either, now was it?
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stevieray 10:14 AM 09-16-2020
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
shock horror competence sanity crazy incompetent dangerous
^passive aggressive sensationalism^
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Donger 10:15 AM 09-16-2020
Originally Posted by loochy:
I'm sure contingency plans have been in place but not executed. This one wasn't executed either, now was it?
I think you need to make up your mind what you were implying in your first post in this thread.
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Eleazar 10:20 AM 09-16-2020
Originally Posted by loochy:
I'm sure contingency plans have been in place but not executed. This one wasn't executed either, now was it?
That is at odds with Trump's own words. Trump himself says he was in favor of carrying the plan out but it didn't happen because he was opposed by Mattis and others, not that they were just making some sort of a contingency plan.
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ChiTown 10:22 AM 09-16-2020
Maybe grab a safe space for another 48 days until Joe Biden is elected. Everything should be back to normal once that happens....
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Marcellus 10:24 AM 09-16-2020
I thought Trump didn't listen to his advisors.

Can you guys ever make up your fucking mind?
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Just Passin' By 10:26 AM 09-16-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
I thought Trump didn't listen to his advisors.

Can you guys ever make up your fucking mind?
Cochise is so far into his spin that he's ignoring the actual words from the article. It's impressive, in a "My God, could this clown possibly get more pathetic?" sort of way.


Originally Posted by :
The president added that he did not regret the decision not to target Assad, saying he "could've lived either way."

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mlyonsd 10:26 AM 09-16-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
I thought Trump didn't listen to his advisors.

Can you guys ever make up your ****ing mind?
TDS heavy flow day.
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Donger 10:28 AM 09-16-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
I thought Trump didn't listen to his advisors.

Can you guys ever make up your ****ing mind?
Who has said that he doesn't? He does seem to fire them pretty frequently, however.

Does it bother you at all that Trump wanted to do this?

Does it bother you that he clearly and openly lied about it?
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Donger 10:29 AM 09-16-2020
Originally Posted by mlyonsd:
TDS heavy flow day.
Do you support POTUS ordering the assassination of foreign leaders?
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