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Washington DC and The Holy Land>Real Talk: Abortion For or Against
Nirvana58 09:38 AM 07-08-2020
You just went to the doctor and found out you and your wife are 12 weeks along with a baby boy. However, they ran an NIPT blood test and say that you are 84% likely that the baby you are having has Edwards Syndrome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwards_syndrome

If you don't know what that is I linked the wiki page. Summary is this is basically the worst disease imaginable that I can think of. The average life span of children born with this is 3 to 14 days. Most babies are born still born if they even make it that far. It is even worst for male children who it seems to effect even more severely. Basically this is every parents worst nightmare.

The doctors can't 100% confirm until you receive an amnio and ultra sounds. This can be around 17 to 20 weeks along in your pregnancy. Even for a rush screening with amnio only you won't be able to get the results and make a decision on the abortion till 16 weeks if your lucky.

You can get a CVS earlier but doctors pretty much retired that for the NIPT test that you already received.

No matter your stance on abortion what do you do in this scenario? I am asking you to put yourself in the parents shoes and state your answer. This is not some hypothetical. People have to make this choice every year.

I have 2 questions for you. I will try to link the poll but never done one so we will see what happens.

Do you get an abortion or take it to delivery which most likely will be a still born or have an average life span of 3 to 14 days?

If you do decide to get an abortion when do you do it? The longer you wait the less humane it is but can you abort a child without 100% certainty it has this disease?

You can explain your reasoning or any questions in the replies.
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Nirvana58 05:14 PM 07-08-2020
Originally Posted by stevieray:
Ghoulish thread where you have to make up a scenario to justify murder for your own nobility.
This is a real life scenario where parents have to make this decision. Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean that people don't have to live with situations like this.

But if it makes you feel good about yourself to look down on other people. I pray that nothing like this ever happens to you are somebody you care about. Maybe then you would take a real look at yourself and have some damn compassion.
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El Lobo Gordo 05:16 PM 07-08-2020
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
By that logic.

1. She lets her baby suffer because she doesn't want to make a hard choice.
2. She lets her baby suffer because she doesn't want to go against her religious beliefs.
3. She lets her baby suffer because she doesn't want to take another life.
She doesn't let her baby suffer. Her baby suffers because of a syndrome. If I fall and break my leg, You don't let me suffer by not putting a bullet in my head.

Would it be fair to characterize your position as:

All human beings deserve moral protection except if their situation is hopeless?

If that is your position, how do you justify your exception?
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stevieray 05:18 PM 07-08-2020
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
This is a real life scenario where parents have to make this decision. Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean that people don't have to live with situations like this.

But if it makes you feel good about yourself to look down on other people. I pray that nothing like this ever happens to you are somebody you care about. Maybe then you would take a real look at yourself and have some damn compassion.
^truth hurts^

ahh and there it is...your motive exposed.

"I'm only killing you because I'm compassionate."

Stop playing God and get on your knees.
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El Lobo Gordo 05:30 PM 07-08-2020
Originally Posted by stevieray:
Ghoulish thread where you have to make up a scenario to justify murder for your own nobility.
Ectopic pregnancies result in miscarriages 100% of the time and the mother often dies because of complications. I have no problem with an abortion in that spot. It has to be done to treat a very real life threatening medical condition. Abortion because a pregnancy is going to interfere with college? 100% morally wrong imo.

If some abortions have to be done, Conversations about what "have to" means need to occur. Such conversations are almost certainly going to involve what if scenarios that need to be unpacked and examined. His question is legit. You should welcome it because when such questions are ask, they are usually done so by folks who have at least subconsciously concluded that abortions for convenience are wrong.
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stevieray 05:32 PM 07-08-2020
Originally Posted by El Lobo Gordo:
Ectopic pregnancies result in miscarriages 100% of the time and the mother often dies because of complications.
Right.
........and?
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El Lobo Gordo 05:39 PM 07-08-2020
Originally Posted by stevieray:
Right.
........and?
In the case of an ectopic pregnancy, the abortion is an unwelcome effect of the treatment. In the case of scenario laid out by the original poster, the abortion is done to prevent a human being who is undesired from continuing to exist.

The poster may not even realize that though.
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GloryDayz 05:45 PM 07-08-2020
In this case am I a liberal or real American?
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Nirvana58 05:50 PM 07-08-2020
Originally Posted by stevieray:
^truth hurts^

ahh and there it is...your motive exposed.

"I'm only killing you because I'm compassionate."

Stop playing God and get on your knees.
Compassion for the situation. :-)
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GloryDayz 05:55 PM 07-08-2020
If liberals, since their lives don't matter:


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GloryDayz 05:58 PM 07-08-2020
If liberal:



Liberal's lives don't matter.
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cosmo20002 05:58 PM 07-08-2020
Originally Posted by stevieray:
^truth hurts^

ahh and there it is...your motive exposed.

"I'm only killing you because I'm compassionate."

Stop playing God and get on your knees.
Wanna take another crack at describing what that means?
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El Lobo Gordo 05:59 PM 07-08-2020
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
Which is a pivot. Because in this situation the baby will never have the ability to consent. Even if you spent millions of dollars keeping them alive with the best care. The beat all odds and by a miracle to live past there first year. The will never have the cognitive abilities to understand this conversation.
If all babies in that spot could speak for themselves and they all said they wanted to live, I suspect you'd be against allowing them to be aborted.

If all babies in that spot could speak for themselves and they all said they wanted to die rather than live a life of pain and suffering, I suspect you'd be okay with allowing them to be aborted.

Fair assessment?

Well, those babies can't and most would never likely be able to speak for themselves. If you are going to take it upon yourself to speak for them, then you have to decide what error to risk making. What error is worse:

Error 1: Aborting a baby who would choose to live if it could choose.
Error 2: Not aborting a baby who would choose to die if it could choose.

I believe making error 1 is much worse than making error 2.
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stevieray 06:00 PM 07-08-2020
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
Compassion for the situation. :-)
I get that..doesn't equate to murder.
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Nirvana58 06:01 PM 07-08-2020
Originally Posted by El Lobo Gordo:
She doesn't let her baby suffer. Her baby suffers because of a syndrome. If I fall and break my leg, You don't let me suffer by not putting a bullet in my head.

Would it be fair to characterize your position as:

All human beings deserve moral protection except if their situation is hopeless?

If that is your position, how do you justify your exception?
So if we are walking in the woods middle of no where. You fall and break your leg. I leave you there to die because I didn't cause the fall. Do I not share some responsibility of your pain and death?
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stevieray 06:01 PM 07-08-2020
Originally Posted by cosmo20002:
Wanna take another crack at describing what that means?
^toxic and serves no purpose here^
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