College teams looking for the next Pete Carroll or Jim Harbaugh, in terms of the NFL to college football coaching success story but more often than not they end up with Lovie Smith, Charlie Weis, Jim Mora, Jr., Chan Gailey, Al Groh, Mike Sherman failures.
Herm hasn't coached in college football in any capacity since the late 1980's (at San Jose State as a defensive backs coach).
Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat:
ESPN is about to can a bunch of people again so maybe he's just getting out before he gets axed.
Never would have imagined ESPN being the sinking ship that it has become. Would think that Herm could find an analyst job elsewhere, but being a college coach seems like a good fit. Got to watch him head a football camp for kids. Very kind and generous person in private. Great with kids and parents. Sad to see all the venom. Guessing most of the ire comes from people who've never met him. Yeah, his last 2 years in KC were awful, but we'll never know how much of that was Herm and how much was due to the turmoil in the FO. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
I didn’t say shit about Palko. Where is that coming from?
Maybe Solari wasn’t his guy but he wanted what Solari put out.
I know he hated what Gailey was doing because he would go to a press conference and talk about running the ball, controlling the clock, and playing tough power football and then a day later Gailey is out there throwing passes to the QB split out wide.
You really think that if Saunders’ system (with a ****load of power run game) is a “circus offense” that he loathed so much that a shitload of gadget plays and QB scrambles isn’t?
Come on man. I get it that you’re the last guy on the planet that doesn’t think Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards is pure fraud doesn’t mean he was the least bit progressive offensively. He never said anything in any conference ever about attacking weaknesses or creating matchups. He’s too stupid to understand it. It’s reinforced by his “analysis” on ESPN. It’s always “if you’ve got a guy that can throw 40 times and not turn it over you’re going to be hard to beat”. He gives no indication as to why teams can throw it 40 times without turning it over and others can’t. He’s just too stupid to understand scheme.
Show me a quote where herm rejected Gaileys pistol offense toward the end of the season. He started the season embracing his typical r2p2 but he seemed extremely supportive of the offense once Gailey started running it. Youre making this shit up that he at all resisted what Gailey was doing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
Show me a quote where herm rejected Gaileys pistol offense toward the end of the season. He started the season embracing his typical r2p2 but he seemed extremely supportive of the offense once Gailey started running it. Youre making this shit up that he at all resisted what Gailey was doing.
You couldn’t pay me enough to go back through Squirmin Herman Motherfucking Sack of Cunt Edwards’ press conferences.
But good luck pushing the narrative that Squirmin Herman Motherfucking Sack of Cunt Edwards was embracing and encouraging to a progressive offense. If you’re going to forget about all the nonsense he spewed here and after he went to ESPN be my guest. But good luck, man. Enjoy the fight. It will be you against the world. [Reply]
Originally Posted by T-post Tom:
Never would have imagined ESPN being the sinking ship that it has become. Would think that Herm could find an analyst job elsewhere, but being a college coach seems like a good fit. Got to watch him head a football camp for kids. Very kind and generous person in private. Great with kids and parents. Sad to see all the venom. Guessing most of the ire comes from people who've never met him. Yeah, his last 2 years in KC were awful, but we'll never know how much of that was Herm and how much was due to the turmoil in the FO.
He may be a kind person in real life but he is an arrogant grandstanding fraud every time he’s in front of a camera. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
You couldn’t pay me enough to go back through Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards’ press conferences.
But good luck pushing the narrative that Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards was embracing and encouraging to a progressive offense. If you’re going to forget about all the nonsense he spewed here and after he went to ESPN be my guest. But good luck, man. Enjoy the fight. It will be you against the world.
I am asking you to show one ounce of proof. One. Everything after his last season pointed to Gailey keeping his job, and even consideration of Tyler Thigpen keeping his job despite his limitations. And a serious evaluation of the offense that sounded very embracing of continuing some version of the pistol.
You are making this shit up. You're the one who made the comment that he rejected this offense. Prove it. With something that he said, not something someone on cp speculated. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
College teams looking for the next Pete Carroll or Jim Harbaugh, in terms of the NFL to college football coaching success story but more often than not they end up with Lovie Smith, Charlie Weis, Jim Mora, Jr., Chan Gailey, Al Groh, Mike Sherman failures.
Herm hasn't coached in college football in any capacity since the late 1980's (at San Jose State as a defensive backs coach).
Seems like a disaster in waiting IMO.
Arizona State should target Kevin Sumlin.
Considering most of those guys are system guys, I think this is pretty different. I would think he's smart enough to know the Tampa 2 is dead but who knows. But more than anything, it's about expectations. Anyone who thought lovie or chan would excel in college is a moron. I certainly think as long as he somewhat modernizes the scheme the team could easily be an above .500 bowl contender. But yeah, of course if the expectation is to be a consistent top 10 or 20 team, that's totally unrealistic. [Reply]
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
I am asking you to show one ounce of proof. One. Everything after his last season pointed to Gailey keeping his job, and even consideration of Tyler Thigpen keeping his job despite his limitations. And a serious evaluation of the offense that sounded very embracing of continuing some version of the pistol.
You are making this shit up. You're the one who made the comment that he rejected this offense. Prove it. With something that he said, not something someone on cp speculated.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9...at-quarterback
Since you won't find the simple ask of one shred of proof, I found it for you. Sounds like he wanted to keep a variation of the spread but wasn't convinced Thigpen was the best qb to do it but sounds like he was considering a plan B to run spread concepts with a different qb. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
He may be a kind person in real life but he is an arrogant grandstanding fraud every time he’s in front of a camera.
He's been bombastic at times, true. "Grandstanding"... yeah, I see that. We all know the "You play to win the game" moment. But I've always seen those bombastic moments as his "schtick", not arrogance. More entertainment value, which what football ultimately is for the fans. I don't really know him, so maybe I'm wrong. But off-camera, he was a gem when I was around him. [Reply]
Originally Posted by T-post Tom:
He's been bombastic at times, true. "Grandstanding"... yeah, I see that. We all know the "You play to win the game" moment. But I've always seen those bombastic moments as his "schtick", not arrogance. More entertainment value, which what football ultimately is for the fans. I don't really know him, so maybe I'm wrong. But off-camera, he was a gem when I was around him.
Buehler and reerun and several others are in the Herm is 100% wrong and he did literally 0% right in his entire HC career school. We have those same types of people for Alex Smith as well. It's sad that this type of overreaction gets ignored, but rational people like you step in and say "he wasn't a good coach but holy shit, he did at least 1% good." You will literally get steamrolled with that mentality.
Totally with you. Flawed coach. Not a good coach, not nearly the dumpster fire everyone said he was. Did a lot of bad things here but also did some good. And he will probably have about the same middling performance at ASU too. [Reply]