Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by philfree:
I saw that report but then later saw where they came back and said they were part of it.
They did not accept funds for R&D. If their candidate failed, they were out the money. Other vaccine developers accepted BARDA money, which served as indemnification. Pfizer did not.
If they are first to market, the government will buy it and distribute it, but the program did not contribute to its development. It's just patently false. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Hopefully. Evidence-based medicine through press release is generally frowned upon. We all hope that this vaccine is efficacious, but Pfizer's info has not yet been subject to independent peer review.
Also, as an immunocompromised healthcare worker, I would bet that I'll be pretty high up on the list to receive the vaccine. If the data is there, I promise that I'll get it ASAP and report on ADRs :-)
I spend 8 hours a day in mouths breathing right in my face
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
They did not accept funds for R&D. If their candidate failed, they were out the money. Other vaccine developers accepted BARDA money, which served as indemnification. Pfizer did not.
If they are first to market, the government will buy it and distribute it, but the program did not contribute to its development. It's just patently false.
This is your line of work so I think you'd know so I'm not debating you. That was just what I had seen. [Reply]
Something extremely bogus is going on. Was tested for covid four times today. Two tests came back negative, two came back positive. Same machine, same test, same nurse. Rapid antigen test from BD.
Originally Posted by philfree:
This is your line of work so I think you'd know so I'm not debating you. That was just what I had seen.
They took all the financial risk. Developed in Germany. We just said if your vaccine is the real deal and we approve it for public use, we want to buy 100 million doses. If it’s the real deal with a 90% effective rate, it will sell like hot cakes globally. [Reply]
Day 0: Get your first shot
Day 21: Get your second shot
Day 28: Where Pfizer has done their interim analysis on protection
Day 28 after injection is where you get the claimed (not yet verified) protection level from. It's important to understand that you will not be immune immediately after getting the first injection (and the degree of protection at those snapshots in time is either not known or hasn't been released).
As a comparison, the body takes about 14 days to mount a full protective immune response from the flu vaccine. So if I get a shot today and get exposed on Sunday and come down with influenza, it doesn't mean I the shot gave me the flu (it can't). That's where a lot of the misunderstanding of "I got a flu shot and then got the flu" comes from.
Also, we need to think about this in terms of scale. Not everyone will get this initially, and immunity will not be instantaneous. Thus, we will still need mitigation strategies for several more months (masks, distancing, handwashing). Be patient. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Hopefully. Evidence-based medicine through press release is generally frowned upon. We all hope that this vaccine is efficacious, but Pfizer's info has not yet been subject to independent peer review.
Also, as an immunocompromised healthcare worker, I would bet that I'll be pretty high up on the list to receive the vaccine. If the data is there, I promise that I'll get it ASAP and report on ADRs :-)
if science says it’s safe, American scientists have independently looked at the data, Dr. Fauci puts his seal of approval on it, I’ll get it ASAP with my place in line. [Reply]
Just also be aware that any adverse reactions will be blown the fuck up for clicks/attention before direct connections to the vaccine in question can be determined. Might be a good time to mute all of your anti-vax friends/family on social media, although you probably should have done that years ago.
"This person received Pfizer's vaccine. They died of a heart attack two days later."
....
Person was 440 lbs with an A1C of 13%, a BP of 180/110, and LDL of 290. [Reply]
So the JoCo Board of Commissioners decided Covid would kill you after 10:00pm. Then they decided no, it's really 11:00pm. Then they decided no, it's 12:00am. Then they went back to 11:00pm.
They decided to remove the capacity issues from restaurants and bars, I think, as long as they close by 11:00pm. Because it's safer for them to close and people to go party elsewhere without masks and what not than in the bars and restaurants which the county had 0 data to say was the reason things were bad.
Then the county Doctor said the initial desire of "50 people" was "not based on science" but it was a number they thought was good.
One Nazi commissioner was mad because they didn't suggest 10 people and she wants neighbors ratting out neighbors to the DA. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
So the JoCo Board of Commissioners decided Covid would kill you after 10:00pm. Then they decided no, it's really 11:00pm. Then they decided no, it's 12:00am. Then they went back to 11:00pm.
They decided to remove the capacity issues from restaurants and bars, I think, as long as they close by 11:00pm. Because it's safer for them to close and people to go party elsewhere without masks and what not than in the bars and restaurants which the county had 0 data to say was the reason things were bad.
Then the county Doctor said the initial desire of "50 people" was "not based on science" but it was a number they thought was good.
One Nazi commissioner was mad because they didn't suggest 10 people and she wants neighbors ratting out neighbors to the DA.
Correction: Midnight is when Covid will kill you. You're good until then.
While restrictions and lock downs are being imposed on people and businesses across the country...
Mayor of Chicago celebrates with 1,000's in the streets over elections
Mayor of D.C. exempts herself from her own quarantine rules
Nancy Pelosi schedules lavish Thanksgiving dinner for new Democrats
Gov of CA attends indoor birthday party with family
Not being political but why again do you think people are a but reluctant to believe things?
If the people issuing these orders don't lead by example then WTF should anyone listen to them? [Reply]
I have also been told, unofficially of course, my Wife, Son and at least one co-worker have all been added to the Covid positive list. Not because they tested positive because none of them took a test. But because they were "exposed" to me while I had Covid.
