Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk:
Governor Cuomo said number of people discharged from hospital "way up".
So that's good...
Definitely is... It's good to know it's not a death sentence if you do test positive especially if you are younger.
Originally Posted by SAUTO:
I did find it really funny to watch trump pull a smokey and count from both sides of the wad on vents they have sent to NY.
"first 2000 then 2000 more then uhhhhhh 4000. "
then they ask NY later how many they got and they said 4k total :-)
Trump is a great trash talker. Someone like me can definitely appreciate that. Lol. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Used correctly , but the average user isn’t going to change often enough , or not touch it or move it , taking it off the Back on , letting get moist or soiled , gives people false sense of security and they don’t wash there hands as often. Is it better than nothing yes it can be. Would also need eye protection as well.
It's not rocket science. Yes, some people are going to wear them incorrectly. People will reuse them. People will touch their faces sometimes. Taking all of that into account. If EVERYONE wore masks out in public and gatherings, it would GREATLY mitigate the spread of this virus. It would be a gigantic preventative measure and maybe, just maybe, we could actually, do shit once this starts to die down.
Even if everyone wore JUST wore a scarf over their faces, it would still HELP.
Anything over a face, a mouth, eyes will HELP. Some help more than others. Some things like N95 masks REALLY help.
It's a staple in asian cultures and and it has been shown to significantly mitigate transmission, even when the average joe wears them. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk:
Governor Cuomo said number of people discharged from hospital "way up".
So that's good...
Was that this morning or yesterday?
Because yesterday afternoon he said it was damn near 1 for 1, admissions vs. discharges. If it's taken an additional step in that direction today to where discharges are outpacing admissions, then you there's an argument to be made that NYC timed things perfectly.
That's enormous progress, regardless of what happens with the number of overall contracted cases.
Because geography remains our biggest ally. If we can just keep bouncing these hotspots around and throwing resources at them as they surface, we'll be able to address this piecemeal. You WANT this to get real close to the rev limiter; just gotta do it without blowing the engine.
Like I said, I do not envy NYC leadership. They have an almost impossibly thin line to walk. And they were taking enormous heat throughout it because their raw numbers are bad in large part due to circumstances both unique to NYC and almost entirely out of their control. [Reply]
Originally Posted by SAUTO:
just because someone shows no symptoms doesnt mean they are not sick.
Im going to have to disagree. You can be a carrier and not be "sick". Being asymptomatic is the definition of not being sick at least where it comes to a virus I would think. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Im going to have to disagree. You can be a carrier and not be "sick". Being asymptomatic is the definition of not being sick at least where it comes to a virus I would think.
Fine line. Asymptomatic is not showing any symptoms or signs. So you have the virus but are you "sick"? Not in the traditional sense. [Reply]
Excellent. Obviously the hope would be that admissions didn't increase at a similar rate but it doesn't seem like they should be.
I guess I'm curious how they calculated 'peak demand'. I mean, if this is a trend and discharges will continue to meet/exceed admissions, wouldn't that suggest that peak demand has passed?
It's one day - it doesn't really mean dick in the grand scheme. But if it's 3-4 days that does mean something. And if so, it's just another tick on the "hey, maybe chill with the 'models' for a bit" thing. These models are almost universally out of whack within 72 hours.
The EU is also starting to trend down and also weeks before expected. I still think the EU is a handy reference point for us. If for no other reason than we can put SOME stock in their numbers. Given that we can't so much as wipe our ass with anything China puts forward, having any similarly situated political subdivision to look at is useful. [Reply]
