Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Israeli Ministry of Health announces new measures: All citizens over the age of 12 can get a booster 5 months after their 2nd shot. Green Passports will be valid for only 6 months. Triply vaccinated Israelis/residents are exempt from quarantine when returning from abroad.
Israel no longer considers people who have received 2 Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines "vaccinated." As of September 1, only 3x vaccinated are considered immune. [Reply]
Originally Posted by carlos3652:
Israeli Ministry of Health announces new measures: All citizens over the age of 12 can get a booster 5 months after their 2nd shot. Green Passports will be valid for only 6 months. Triply vaccinated Israelis/residents are exempt from quarantine when returning from abroad.
Israel no longer considers people who have received 2 Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines "vaccinated." As of September 1, only 3x vaccinated are considered immune.
Originally Posted by carlos3652:
Israeli Ministry of Health announces new measures: All citizens over the age of 12 can get a booster 5 months after their 2nd shot. Green Passports will be valid for only 6 months. Triply vaccinated Israelis/residents are exempt from quarantine when returning from abroad.
Israel no longer considers people who have received 2 Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines "vaccinated." As of September 1, only 3x vaccinated are considered immune.
Correction. As of October 1st. The latest data I saw had 20% of Israel has already had a 3rd dosis. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
I know nobody actually has an answer for this, but does that mean it's time for another booster in 5 months? What about 5 months after that?
Ultimately it doesn't really matter to me, just curious how this will all play out.
I don’t think any of us have answers, it’s playing out in real time. Typically Israel and UK are ahead of what the US experiences and does but we won’t know until they come out with it.
Regardless, I haven’t seen data showing a need for boosters for healthy individuals who already have the 2 shots. I think the protection for serious illness goes from 84% to 86% with the boosters… which I think is so minuscule it’s not worth it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by carlos3652:
I don’t think any of us have answers, it’s playing out in real time. Typically Israel and UK are ahead of what the US experiences and does but we won’t know until they come out with it.
Regardless, I haven’t seen data showing a need for boosters for healthy individuals who already have the 2 shots. I think the protection for serious illness goes from 84% to 86% with the boosters… which I think is so minuscule it’s not worth it.
Israel isn't super friendly about publicly sharing data, Even when they do, it seems like an outlier compared to data collected elsewhere around the world. They are a bit of an anomaly. [Reply]
Another new Israeli preprint quantifies the extent to waning immunity, for both infections and severe illness, by age group. Bottom figure for age > 60, the earliest group to receive vaccinationhttps://t.co/rGisBOwXH9pic.twitter.com/tkkbW3pzpM
Originally Posted by carlos3652:
This is 100% complicated, with 100 different reasons as to why it could of been handled better. My point that I’m trying to make is that we don’t hear about all of this, it’s not even talked about. All that is talked about is that the unvaxxed caused this, even though they are now in the minority.
I’m also arm chair, day after quarterbacking - so it’s obvious now while I do think the messaging in March was unicorns and rainbows with the vaccine rollout. While 70% didn’t happen by July 4th, we are there now.
I also don’t think firing nurses / doctors or staff was smart either when you lack staffing due to 100 other reasons (burn out, sick, etc) but what do I know.
School boards still have outdated policies regarding vaccinated teachers and students and those haven’t been updated. We are in for another long winter I’m afraid. , everyone will need their 3rd dose or 4th if we are doing it every 5 months (based on Israel’s and the administration’s conversation on Friday)
CDC and the WHO are not even on the same page when it comes to boosters so it will be interesting how this gets handled.
Reminds me of a Dr. House quote...
Originally Posted by :
You wake up in the morning, your paint's peeling, your curtains are gone, and the water is boiling. Which problem do you deal with first?
None of them! The building's on fire!
We're talking about lessons learned when the shitstorm isn't even over yet... and to the House analogy, you don't sit in your kitchen debating that one time your wife said you should buy a fire extinguisher while your house is burning down around you.
And to end the shitstorm, the vast majority of people need to get vaccinated, excluding people with legitimate reasons... which is far fewer people than currently unvaccinated. Once that's done and hospitals can breathe again and aren't denying healthcare to patients, etc.... yeah, there are other major issues we need to deal with. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
Israel isn't super friendly about publicly sharing data, Even when they do, it seems like an outlier compared to data collected elsewhere around the world. They are a bit of an anomaly.
Israel was one of the first countries to achieve a relatively high vaccination rate. If the effectiveness of the vaccines do drop significantly enough after 6~8 months, wouldn't it show up in Israel data first? [Reply]
My wife had patient call this week wanting Ivermectin, he did get pretty sick with COVID at one point but had zero interest in a vaccine as a booster but was adamant about the Ivermectin , my wife has had to deal with similar stuff before , things people googled or saw on Dr Oz but she says this year it has been noticeably worse. [Reply]
