Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Fauci is saying masks and distancing until next winter. I don't see that happening. I think as the vaccine gets out and numbers start coming down it's going to be harder and harder to keep making people wear masks and such. I say by summer people are going to say enough is enough unless the numbers are still high. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Yea I dont get the logic in telling people shit like take the vaccine and we can be back to normal in 18 or even 9 months.
Thats not going to encourage people no matter how you slice it.
And if the vaccine works, after you have it why would you do jack or shit when it comes to restrictions?
Because you might still transmit the disease even though you can't get it. See, it's you must still wear masks to protect me from you even though you have the vaccine. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Because you might still transmit the disease even though you can't get it. See, it's you must still wear masks to protect me from you even though you have the vaccine.
After I get vaccinated I'm going back to normal. I'm not even sure why they'd tell everyone to bunker down to keep this thing from spreading/killing so fast and wait until we can get a vaccine and then tell everyone that we're basically going to be doing the same shit after the vaccine.
This kind of stuff just makes people even more skeptical and makes them skeptical of the vaccine. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
After I get vaccinated I'm going back to normal. I'm not even sure why they'd tell everyone to bunker down to keep this thing from spreading/killing so fast and wait until we can get a vaccine and then tell everyone that we're basically going to be doing the same shit after the vaccine.
This kind of stuff just makes people even more skeptical and makes them skeptical of the vaccine.
I agree. But like I said, the claim is "because you might still transmit the disease, we don't know".
So basically it's the same song new verse.
First verse was: act like you have the virus even if you don't cause you might and not know it.
Second verse is: you got the vaccine but you still need to act like you have the virus even though you don't and we are 90% sure you can't get it you still might spread what you can't get to someone else.
I think some people have just got drunk on power even if unintentionally. People like the feeling of power and when they think they are doing it for the best interest of everyone else they are reluctant to let go. [Reply]
I dont see how the same person can say "so many people will refuse the vaccine that it will delay getting back to normal" and in the next post also say normalcy will be delayed because there is a shortage of vaccines.
If a bunch of people refuse to take it, there should be plenty for those who want it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by sedated:
I dont see how the same person can say "so many people will refuse the vaccine that it will delay getting back to normal" and in the next post also say normalcy will be delayed because there is a shortage of vaccines.
If a bunch of people refuse to take it, there should be plenty for those who want it.
It's circular...circle, it goes up and down and around, circular, circle.... [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
And people wonder why others are skeptical of the constant double speak.
I mean I get it that you can't ditch precautions on day 1 of vaccines being available. But this shit that we have to wear masks until next winter is bullshit. By spring time most people who need the vaccine will have had it. And most who want it will probably have had it as well. At that point it's people who don't want it and that's their choice.
But you and I both know the politicos will use re-opening as a stick to get people to vaccinate. "Oh we are sorry but only 65% of the state has been vaccinated therefore school will remain remote, you can't go out to eat and you must wear a mask until we tell you don't have too. If only more people would just get vaccinated....." [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I mean I get it that you can't ditch precautions on day 1 of vaccines being available. But this shit that we have to wear masks until next winter is bullshit. By spring time most people who need the vaccine will have had it. And most who want it will probably have had it as well. At that point it's people who don't want it and that's their choice.
But you and I both know the politicos will use re-opening as a stick to get people to vaccinate. "Oh we are sorry but only 65% of the state has been vaccinated therefore school will remain remote, you can't go out to eat and you must wear a mask until we tell you don't have too. If only more people would just get vaccinated....."
It's like seat belt laws. You can educate and educate and educate and some people still won't figure it out, so you have to pass laws to bypass Darwinism for them. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
It's like seat belt laws. You can educate and educate and educate and some people still won't figure it out, so you have to pass laws to bypass Darwinism for them.
No, it isn't. I hate that analogy. Seatbelts are about driving which is a privilege not a right. There is a significant difference. I appreciate and understand the sentiment but I hate that analogy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
After I get vaccinated I'm going back to normal. I'm not even sure why they'd tell everyone to bunker down to keep this thing from spreading/killing so fast and wait until we can get a vaccine and then tell everyone that we're basically going to be doing the same shit after the vaccine.
This kind of stuff just makes people even more skeptical and makes them skeptical of the vaccine.
It's another area where nuance in discussion would be helpful. I don't expect us to be anywhere near the level of restrictions that we have now by next fall. If vaccination rates are low, though, there might be restrictions on things like large events still. Time will tell. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
After I get vaccinated I'm going back to normal. I'm not even sure why they'd tell everyone to bunker down to keep this thing from spreading/killing so fast and wait until we can get a vaccine and then tell everyone that we're basically going to be doing the same shit after the vaccine.
This kind of stuff just makes people even more skeptical and makes them skeptical of the vaccine.
I mostly agree. Although I'll still be a good boy until everyone's had an opportunity to get their vaccine too. Then it's game on! [Reply]
