KU ***** Official 2018-2019 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread ***** - Page 137

Originally Posted by Matrix:
UCLA of the 60's and 70's say hi.

The Beakers are the Atlanta Braves of DI basketball.

That would make Mizzou what, the Milwaukee brewers of basketball?
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Originally Posted by BDj23:
That would make Mizzou what, the Milwaukee brewers of basketball?

More like the Brewers' AAA team, which is apparently the San Antonio Missions.
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With only one national title in that span, you can't argue that it's more impressive than UCLA.

But winning at that level then is not the same as now. No one could possibly come close to doing what UCLA did in today's format. Which is why it never happens. Calipari is today's Wooden (in terms of talent acquired) and he's sitting on one title.
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Grimes being a disaster was probably the biggest failing of this team.

Moore too.

He could at least goddamned score at miss St or wherever it was
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Then UCLA was the Yankees of the 1950s.

Well.......yeah.
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Originally Posted by BDj23:
That would make Mizzou what, the Milwaukee brewers of basketball?

I'm not a Mizzou basketball fan and my point still remains.
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Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo:
It�s getting to be that time of year! Which mid-major will KU lose to this time around? What are the odds the schools name starts with a B?

How've things been now that you're in a real conference? I seem to remember WSU fans saying the streak wasn't impressive because they could do the same thing if they had a shot.
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Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
How've things been now that you're in a real conference? I seem to remember WSU fans saying the streak wasn't impressive because they could do the same thing if they had a shot.

lol WSU has fans?

Realtalk: I grew up in KS and I didn't know WSU even existed until I moved to Newton.
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Odds Shark is on crack...I love KU, but no way our odds of winning the national title are that high. shit, all the games are on the road for Christ's sake.

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Updated odds to win the CBB National Championship:

Duke +210
Gonzaga/Virginia +800
Kentucky +900
UNC/Tennessee +1100
Michigan +1200
Michigan St. +1400
Nevada +2500
Kansas +2800
Texas Tech +3500
Iowa St./LSU/Wisconsin +4000
Houston/Marquette +5000
Auburn/Purdue/Villanova +5500
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Ranking the 14 teams of the streak (from best to worst IMO):

1. 2008: Almost a perfect roster. They could do it all. Shared the conference, won the conference tourney, and won the national title. Best team in the nation in a great year for college basketball.

2. 2010: Loaded roster. Probably the best team Self has had on paper. Best rotation of big men in Kansas history (Aldrich, Morris Twins, T Rob, and Withey). Maybe the only weakness was consistency from 3. Fuck Farokmanesh Forever.

3. 2017: 16-2 conference record and the National POY. I still think Josh Jackson was the best freshman at KU in my lifetime (I was born in ‘89).

4. 2007: Another loaded roster. Conference champs and conference tourney champs. Very easily could’ve won a national title had they gotten past UCLA.

5. 2016: Very deep roster with a great back court and reliable front court. Conference champs that swept a great OU team with a senior Buddy Hield. Very well could’ve won a title had they not crumbled against Nova.

6. 2018: Hindsight is 20/20. A lot of us complained about them throughout the year, but they accomplished a lot. Conference title, conference tourney title, and a final four.

7. 2012: Conference champs and a final four. I held them down due to having practically no bench. Great starting 5 though.

8. 2011: Fuck VCU. The field opened up for them to win it all and they didn’t capitalize.

9. 2009: Sherron and Aldrich were awesome in their first years as starters. Beat out Blake Griffin for the conference title (even though he was out when we played).

10. 2013: Really solid starting 5. Withey was awesome all year. The backcourt and bench were inconsistent. Iowa State will forever hate this team.

11. 2014: Big names on this team (Wiggins, Embiid, Selden, Ellis, Mason), but too young and inconsistent. Probably should’ve been better than they were. Far too reliant on Embiid, as we saw once he was out.

12. 2015: They became kind of frustrating, especially Cliff Alexander. He never really seemed to click and then his eligibility issue came up. The Wichita State loss was a kick in the nuts. I liked Oubre though.

13. 2006: Pretty much all freshmen and sophomores. This team wasn’t supposed to win it. They laid the foundation for the 2008 team, but still...Bradley.

14. 2005: The last of the Roy era. Clearly a transitional team. And then...Bucknell.
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051:
Did they fail in the tournament? Or did Self get them to overachieve in the regular season?

I�d argue that 2007, 2010, 2011, 2016, and 2017 were teams that failed in the tournament. All of them were National Championship or bust teams (yet none even made the Final Four).

2005, 2006, 2009, 2013, and 2015 probably overachieved in the regular season.

2012 and 2018 probably overachieved in both the regular season and tournament.

2008 did what they should�ve done, since they were the best overall team in the nation.

2014 was a throwaway tourney IMO, since they were so dependent on Embiid. Once he was out, they were done.

I agree completely.
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Wow. Iowa State has the best chance to win the conference? What happened to them? They’re down 14 at WVU!
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051:
Ranking the 14 teams of the streak (from best to worst IMO):

1. 2008: Almost a perfect roster. They could do it all. Shared the conference, won the conference tourney, and won the national title. Best team in the nation in a great year for college basketball.

2. 2010: Loaded roster. Probably the best team Self has had on paper. Best rotation of big men in Kansas history (Aldrich, Morris Twins, T Rob, and Withey). Maybe the only weakness was consistency from 3. **** Farokmanesh Forever.

3. 2017: 16-2 conference record and the National POY. I still think Josh Jackson was the best freshman at KU in my lifetime (I was born in �89).

4. 2007: Another loaded roster. Conference champs and conference tourney champs. Very easily could�ve won a national title had they gotten past UCLA.

5. 2016: Very deep roster with a great back court and reliable front court. Conference champs that swept a great OU team with a senior Buddy Hield. Very well could�ve won a title had they not crumbled against Nova.

6. 2018: Hindsight is 20/20. A lot of us complained about them throughout the year, but they accomplished a lot. Conference title, conference tourney title, and a final four.

7. 2012: Conference champs and a final four. I held them down due to having practically no bench. Great starting 5 though.

8. 2011: **** VCU. The field opened up for them to win it all and they didn�t capitalize.

9. 2009: Sherron and Aldrich were awesome in their first years as starters. Beat out Blake Griffin for the conference title (even though he was out when we played).

10. 2013: Really solid starting 5. Withey was awesome all year. The backcourt and bench were inconsistent. Iowa State will forever hate this team.

11. 2014: Big names on this team (Wiggins, Embiid, Selden, Ellis, Mason), but too young and inconsistent. Probably should�ve been better than they were. Far too reliant on Embiid, as we saw once he was out.

12. 2015: They became kind of frustrating, especially Cliff Alexander. He never really seemed to click and then his eligibility issue came up. The Wichita State loss was a kick in the nuts. I liked Oubre though.

13. 2006: Pretty much all freshmen and sophomores. This team wasn�t supposed to win it. They laid the foundation for the 2008 team, but still...Bradley.

14. 2005: The last of the Roy era. Clearly a transitional team. And then...Bucknell.

Maybe I have a soft spot for that '12 team, but after what they did coming back against Mizzou in our last meeting and then in every game of the tournament after the first round...I'm glad I had a strong heart. I get the bench argument, but making the title game and being within 2 possessions of winning it all against an all time Kentucky team ranks them much higher for me. Other than that I can't argue with your list.
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2011&12 are under ranked there ^^^
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Originally Posted by DJay23:
Maybe I have a soft spot for that '12 team, but after what they did coming back against Mizzou in our last meeting and then in every game of the tournament after the first round...I'm glad I had a strong heart. I get the bench argument, but making the title game and being within 2 possessions of winning it all against an all time Kentucky team ranks them much higher for me. Other than that I can't argue with your list.

2012 is one of my favorites for sure. I just have a hard time putting them ahead of those other teams that were super deep and consistent.

It�s easy to forget how much the 2012 team struggled early. They looked horrendous when they lost to Davidson at Sprint Center. I�m judging all of these teams on the totality of their seasons.

If I ranked heart, they would probably be number 1.
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