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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Donger 11:03 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
Oh the humanity.
Don't like the numbers? Or don't like the idea of doing what we can to make this bug die out? Both, perhaps?
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O.city 11:05 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Heard on Sirius radio that a lot of NFL guys are starting to struggle with their routine. Besides toilet paper, gym equipment has been the other major buy online and at stores (before they shut down).

With gyms forced to close, these guys are having to do home workouts on their own which could cause problems if/when the season starts.
You guys should probably start thinking about the fact that we aren't likely having an NFL this year.
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BIG_DADDY 11:05 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
He didn't say days. He said weeks. Not a good start to your post.

I take it you still don't think that the mitigation efforts we've take should have been implemented?
I've said the whole time I understand what we are doing and why. We need to get the supplies needed to our medical community who have been awesome.

Once they have what they need we need to open the economy up, immediately.
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ToxSocks 11:06 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
You guys should probably start thinking about the fact that we aren't likely having an NFL this year.
Bullshit. They'll just play w/o fans.
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saphojunkie 11:07 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
Oh the humanity.
Idiots like you will not take this seriously. Then they won't be able to breathe. And then all of their bluster and chest puffing will mean nothing as they beg - BEG - for the health care system to save them from this thing that is "no big deal."

And they'll lie there, gasping for air as no one has time to save them. As they wonder how - in the richest country on the planet - someone with health insurance can die in a hospital hallway surrounded by other scared people who a week before had no clue they'd be fighting for their last breaths, some other idiot will post it's no worse than the flu. That car accidents kill more people.

And then, all alone, surrounded by misery, they'll die. For nothing.

Oh, the humanity indeed.
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Chief Roundup 11:07 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk:
[Looks at your "Location"]

:-)
I have not updated that in a LONG time. I live in a small town of 12,000 people and have for the last 6 years.
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O.city 11:07 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
Bullshit. They'll just play w/o fans.
Yeah, I'm gonna say that won't end up happening. Like the NBA, once one of them tests positive, it'll be over.
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DJ's left nut 11:08 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
This is where honesty from the jump from everyone would have made things better.

"We're trying to control this so everyone isn't sick at one time. Either everyone gets it, is immune or we get a vaccine. Thats the two ways out of this. Maybe we can develop some therapeutics to ease this down. Thats what we're trying to buy time for. We realize we can't do this forever".
But that's essentially what "flatten the curve" was saying to do.

The problem is that social media got ahold of it, people got scared and everything went completely batshit.

Again - the curve REQUIRES spread. That's always been the case. Anyone that actually bothered to learn anything about their silly little meme they were posting would've understood that. It was fundamental to the entire concept. Again I look at Boone county and see that they're nowhere near capacity with no meaningful spread and think that ultimately we're not accomplishing anything. We're just delaying the inevitable until we get to a point where everyone's just done with the whole damn thing. How are we moving towards a finish line right now?

And like I said 2 weeks ago, it sure as hell looked like mission creep was going to take over and suddenly everyone would be calling for measures to simply stop the spread outright. Measures that would be quixotic and ultimately counterproductive.

And hey, here we are.

We have Virginia's governor shutting shit down through July now. Why? Because nobody's going to say "hey wait a minute - we're hearing this has a week long incubation period and maybe a 3 week lifecycle...care to explain why 70 !@#$ing days is going to be the fix here?"

Nobody's looking for a solution, they're just looking to grip harder. And sooner or later they're going to lose buy-in. Everyone's going to throw up their hands and you'll get that same damn spike.
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Donger 11:09 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
I've said the whole time I understand what we are doing and why. We need to get the supplies needed to our medical community who have been awesome.

Once they have what they need we need to open the economy up, immediately.
I'm pretty sure you didn't. Perhaps I'll check.

Your second paragraph is just amazingly stupid and ignorant.
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saphojunkie 11:09 AM 04-01-2020
Also notice how those lists of things that kill more americans suspiciously don't mention gun deaths.

That shit has a political agenda and is fucking nonsense.
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O.city 11:13 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
But that's essentially what "flatten the curve" was saying to do.

The problem is that social media got ahold of it, people got scared and everything went completely batshit.

Again - the curve REQUIRES spread. That's always been the case. Anyone that actually bothered to learn anything about their silly little meme they were posting would've understood that. It was fundamental to the entire concept. Again I look at Boone county and see that they're nowhere near capacity with no meaningful spread and think that ultimately we're not accomplishing anything. We're just delaying the inevitable until we get to a point where everyone's just done with the whole damn thing. How are we moving towards a finish line right now?

And like I said 2 weeks ago, it sure as hell looked like mission creep was going to take over and suddenly everyone would be calling for measures to simply stop the spread outright. Measures that would be quixotic and ultimately counterproductive.

And hey, here we are.

We have Virginia's governor shutting shit down through July now. Why? Because nobody's going to say "hey wait a minute - we're hearing this has a week long incubation period and maybe a 3 week lifecycle...care to explain why 70 !@#$ing days is going to be the fix here?"

Nobody's looking for a solution, they're just looking to grip harder. And sooner or later they're going to lose buy-in. Everyone's going to throw up their hands and you'll get that same damn spike.
You're essentially trying to buy time. Buy time to stock up materials for hospitals and capacity (should have done that in January or Feb, but thats in the past and here we are). Buy time for a therapeutic (prophylactic antibodies will be here late spring early summer).

You can't buy time for a vaccine. They're saying 18 months, the average vaccine takes about 5 years so i wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

So in the end, yeah, you needed either a better plan or be better at relaying what the actual plan was.
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Chief Roundup 11:14 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
Yeah, I'm gonna say that won't end up happening. Like the NBA, once one of them tests positive, it'll be over.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/c...test-positive/

There are several players that have tested positive from the NBA. They have not canceled the season.
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Bearcat 11:15 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
It's 100k - 240k total, not 240k in the next few days. People really need to quit watching fear porn. First they compared it 1918 where 20-50M died. Currently we are under 50k in the entire world. Little difference there. Then we got the predictions that went from 3M deaths in the US and has incrementally worked it's way down. I know people who have had Corona but none of them died or had any complications. On the other hand I know a ton of people who are having their life destroyed. Lost job and income. Losing their businesses.Look around you instead of at all the fear porn on TV. Lets put this in perspective.

Deaths in the US annually

Car accidents almost 40k
Heart disease 650k
Cancer 600k
Unintentional injuries 170k
Chronic lower respiratory disease 160k
Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases 147k
Alzheimers 125k
Diabetes 84k
The flu 61k
Kidney disease 52k
Suicide 50k

The Wuhan virus is killing 10's of millions of Americans but not in the way exploited by the media with their fear porn. Millions are losing their job, their homes, businesses and life savings. We do this long enough we could have a great depression, awesome. The chance that covid 19 is what's going to take you out is slightly above zero. The death rate no matter what it is projecting at this moment is a grain of sand on the beach of what could happen to the quality of life for all of us if people keep buying into this BS.
Previous predictions were all worst case scenarios based on "if you do nothing....". So, you either overreact and never know if those numbers would have become a reality, or you do nothing and hope all of the smart people who devote their lives to this stuff actually had no idea what they were talking about when it comes to worst case scenarios.

Want to boost the economy or fill all the potholes? We should do something else with the billions invested in cancer research, since people die from heart disease and car accidents.

Granted, there's no risk of all of those categories combined all of a sudden filling up hospital beds to the point of choosing who lives and who dies while completely overwhelming healthcare workers.... which I'm sure would be great for the economy.
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O.city 11:16 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/c...test-positive/

There are several players that have tested positive from the NBA. They have not canceled the season.
Yeah, you guys think they'll be playing anytime soon?
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Chief Roundup 11:19 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
Yeah, you guys think they'll be playing anytime soon?
Not a "follower" of the NBA so I have no idea. I figure that all the major sports, NFL, MLB, NBA will all play some sort of shortened season.
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