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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Pants 10:46 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
The VP in an interview this morning said the USA is most comparable to Italy.


That's dumb.

People live with their parents in Italy till the day the parents die. There was no way for the elderly to isolate.
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Donger 10:47 AM 04-01-2020
Just crossed the 200,000 case line. Already 11,700 new cases today.

Strap in, people. Start wearing masks, even make-shift.
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saphojunkie 10:48 AM 04-01-2020
Yeah my friend has "mild symptoms" and we have been monitoring her daily. A simple push towards more serious and she's in the ICU. That's a hard distinction to draw. I think "mild" is misleading.
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DaFace 10:54 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
They could shut down all domestic and international flights in a second.
Still not that simple. We're still moving people around to try and combat hot spots, so how do you otherwise get a nurse from North Dakota to NYC? And what about people who have to travel for other treatments. I've got a friend whose mom is going to MD Anderson in Houston for treatment for a brain tumor (GBM). She doesn't do well in the car, so driving from KC to Houston isn't really an option.

I agree that travel should be severely limited, but I just don't think that completely shutting down airports is the answer.
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DJ's left nut 10:56 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
True 100k - 240 k is still small % wise for a country w over 300 mil. It'll be rough but we will get through this.
If we lose 350K people, one out of every 1,000 people will die. And that will yield raw numbers beyond our comprehension but it will also won't be the whole "every last one of us will have loved ones die!" thing that far too many are preaching.

I don't know 1,000 people. And I probably only truly care about maybe 75.

This still comes down in large part to some level of fatalism for me. Suddenly everyone's saying "My god - 100K people are going to die; how can this be happening?"

Gimme 100K and I'd take it. Again, this is a novel virus that attacks our lungs and creates havoc on the systems of the elderly and compromised. The idea that we were going to spin clear of this w/ 15K dead was always just folly.

This disease is a motherfucker. And it was always going to kill people - a lot of them. And it's not about liking that fact or endorsing it. It's about simply understanding it.

I feel like some of the biggest mistakes business, teachers, politicians, salesmen...just about anyone, ever makes come down to poor expectation management. And somehow we came out of the chute saying "flatten the curve and 1,000 people will die..."

Dafuq ever made that a reasonable projection for something like this? When this story is written, it'll involve tens of thousands dead and likely hundreds of thousands. And if there's a country w/ similar demographics/population who claims they'll have knocked it back at a few hundred...well their story just hasn't reached its conclusion yet. Or they're just flat lying.

As I said from the beginning, I still don't think the answer is hunkering down and hoping they run out of bullets. Sooner or later that will just make things worse. I look at Boone County now with NO meaningful spread and a mere 2 people who have been in the ICU from the jump. We've been locked in for a little over a week with all expectations being that this goes through Mid May. And then they'll slowly release people out into the wild.

And THEN the spread will start. And the odds of being able to put the clamps back on that population are damn near zero. Because 'flatten the curve' somehow evolved into "don't allow a curve at all", all we're going to create is spike further down the line.

And it will all be because people simply never had a reasonable expectation of what these outcomes were going to be. So we're making decisions that are in some ways likely to make the outcomes worse...just a little further down the road.
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Chief Roundup 10:58 AM 04-01-2020
I sure wish they would contain all the people that live in the cities in the cities and not allow them to come out to the rural areas.
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Mr_Tomahawk 11:00 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
I sure wish they would contain all the people that live in the cities in the cities and not allow them to come out to the rural areas.
[Looks at your "Location"]

:-)
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BIG_DADDY 11:00 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
WOW so now our task force is saying 240,000 deaths in the coming weeks.
WTF happened?
It's 100k - 240k total, not 240k in the next few days. People really need to quit watching fear porn. First they compared it 1918 where 20-50M died. Currently we are under 50k in the entire world. Little difference there. Then we got the predictions that went from 3M deaths in the US and has incrementally worked it's way down. I know people who have had Corona but none of them died or had any complications. On the other hand I know a ton of people who are having their life destroyed. Lost job and income. Losing their businesses.Look around you instead of at all the fear porn on TV. Lets put this in perspective.

Deaths in the US annually

Car accidents almost 40k
Heart disease 650k
Cancer 600k
Unintentional injuries 170k
Chronic lower respiratory disease 160k
Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases 147k
Alzheimers 125k
Diabetes 84k
The flu 61k
Kidney disease 52k
Suicide 50k

The Wuhan virus is killing 10's of millions of Americans but not in the way exploited by the media with their fear porn. Millions are losing their job, their homes, businesses and life savings. We do this long enough we could have a great depression, awesome. The chance that covid 19 is what's going to take you out is slightly above zero. The death rate no matter what it is projecting at this moment is a grain of sand on the beach of what could happen to the quality of life for all of us if people keep buying into this BS.
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DJ's left nut 11:01 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by Pants:
Maybe. The cultures differ WAAAAY more from country to country in Europe and the way they tackle this thing will be much more diverse, IMO. Also, Europe is just way denser than the US.
I mean I'm not a world traveler, but do they?

I mean our most cosmoplitan regions would hang with France, would they not? Our most laissez faire w/ Spain. Our most hard-charging with Germany.

I think one of the greatest disservices we ever do to our populace is to underestimate just how crazy different our cultures are throughout this country.

And thus far, the way the EU has addressed it hasn't different too terribly much from country to country. At least not any more than our responses has differed from state to state.

I could be wrong - I just think we oftentimes overlook the level of autonomy and diversity that exists geographically throughout the United States.
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saphojunkie 11:02 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
It's 100k - 240k total, not 240k in the next few days. People really need to quit watching fear porn. First they compared it 1918 where 20-50M died. Currently we are under 50k in the entire world. Little difference there. Then we got the predictions that went from 3M deaths in the US and has incrementally worked it's way down. I know people who have had Corona but none of them died or had any complications. On the other hand I know a ton of people who are having their life destroyed. Lost job and income. Losing their businesses.Look around you instead of at all the fear porn on TV. Lets put this in perspective.

Deaths in the US annually

Car accidents almost 40k
Heart disease 650k
Cancer 600k
Unintentional injuries 170k
Chronic lower respiratory disease 160k
Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases 147k
Alzheimers 125k
Diabetes 84k
The flu 61k
Kidney disease 52k
Suicide 50k

The Wuhan virus is killing 10's of millions of Americans but not in the way exploited by the media with their fear porn. Millions are losing their job, their homes, businesses and life savings. We do this long enough we could have a great depression, awesome. The chance that covid 19 is what's going to take you out is slightly above zero. The death rate no matter what it is projecting at this moment is a grain of sand on the beach of what could happen to the quality of life for all of us if people keep buying into this BS.
These posts are so fucking stupid. You are so fucking stupid.
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BIG_DADDY 11:02 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Just crossed the 200,000 case line. Already 11,700 new cases today.

Strap in, people. Start wearing masks, even make-shift.
Oh the humanity.
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Donger 11:02 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
It's 100k - 240k total, not 240k in the next few days. People really need to quit watching fear porn. First they compared it 1918 where 20-50M died. Currently we are under 50k in the entire world. Little difference there. Then we got the predictions that went from 3M deaths in the US and has incrementally worked it's way down. I know people who have had Corona but none of them died or had any complications. On the other hand I know a ton of people who are having their life destroyed. Lost job and income. Losing their businesses.Look around you instead of at all the fear porn on TV. Lets put this in perspective.

Deaths in the US annually

Car accidents almost 40k
Heart disease 650k
Cancer 600k
Unintentional injuries 170k
Chronic lower respiratory disease 160k
Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases 147k
Alzheimers 125k
Diabetes 84k
The flu 61k
Kidney disease 52k
Suicide 50k

The Wuhan virus is killing 10's of millions of Americans but not in the way exploited by the media with their fear porn. Millions are losing their job, their homes, businesses and life savings. We do this long enough we could have a great depression, awesome. The chance that covid 19 is what's going to take you out is slightly above zero. The death rate no matter what it is projecting at this moment is a grain of sand on the beach of what could happen to the quality of life for all of us if people keep buying into this BS.
He didn't say days. He said weeks. Not a good start to your post.

I take it you still don't think that the mitigation efforts we've take should have been implemented?
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O.city 11:02 AM 04-01-2020
This is where honesty from the jump from everyone would have made things better.

"We're trying to control this so everyone isn't sick at one time. Either everyone gets it, is immune or we get a vaccine. Thats the two ways out of this. Maybe we can develop some therapeutics to ease this down. Thats what we're trying to buy time for. We realize we can't do this forever".
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RunKC 11:03 AM 04-01-2020
Heard on Sirius radio that a lot of NFL guys are starting to struggle with their routine. Besides toilet paper, gym equipment has been the other major buy online and at stores (before they shut down).

With gyms forced to close, these guys are having to do home workouts on their own which could cause problems if/when the season starts.
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jd1020 11:03 AM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I don't know 1,000 people. And I probably only truly care about maybe 75.
75? God damn. If I counted up my family, mainly just brother and sisters and my mother - not really close to any cousins, and close friends it probably doesnt even add up to 30.
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